Charles Darwin to receive apology from the Church of England for rejecting evolution

[Whowillgo]

No-one doubts what God wrote in His book. But some of us doubt a particular interpretation of it given to us by Man and demonstrated to be at odds with what God has also revealed to us in His creation.

I understand your statement and can say that through the years I have looked at other explanations but anyway you look at it, we are told that scripture is given by inspiration of God. If this is true and is what I must hold on to then I truly must accept the written account as accurate and not from man. Otherwise I then cast doubt on all scripture as having the potential for mistakes. As far as God revealing other things to us in creation, what He has revealed has stumped all science in that each new wrinting of man consistantly trys to extend the period of creation to account for the lack of evolutionary proof.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

What a blessing!!!!!!!!

 

[donnA]

Wrong. I believe Him. I just don't believe you. Big difference.

I don't care one bit if you ever believe me on anything whatsoever. means nothing to me. but if you believe Him, you'd believe Him when He says he spoke the creation into being. Not man, and his false theories that are meant to contradict not only God, but His very existence. Everything we see in scripture contradicts evolution. you may believe your descended from a monkey and slime, but I know by the word of God I am not. I beleive Him.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I don't care one bit if you ever believe me on anything whatsoever. means nothing to me. but if you believe Him, you'd believe Him when He says he spoke the creation into being. Not man, and his false theories that are meant to contradict not only God, but His very existence. Everything we see in scripture contradicts evolution. you may believe your descended from a monkey and slime, but I know by the word of God I am not. I beleive Him.

Slime? No. Primordial ooze.

Monkey? No Homo erectus.

He spoke the world into being? Hmmm Jesus is the Logos. Where exactly are you going with this?

 

[donnA]

Once agian God tells us He created and did it in 6 days. The word days this time being His word not mine.

Exodus 20: 11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day

six = Strong's H8337
six (as an overplus (see H7797) beyond five or the fingers of the hand); as ordinal sixth:—six ([-teen, -teenth]), sixth.

seventh = Strong's H7637
seventh:—seventh (time).

days = Strong's H3117
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially):—age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily.

 

[donnA]

Slime? No. Primordial ooze.

Monkey? No Homo erectus.

He spoke the world into being? Hmmm Jesus is the Logos. Where exactly are you going with this?

Not sure what you mean. Going to scripture and what it says. Thats where I'm going.
Gen. 1
3Then God said,
6Then God said,
9Then God said,
11Then God said,
14Then God said,
20Then God said,
24Then God said,
yep, looks like God spoke creation into being. but He is being challenged on this thread that maybe He isn't telling the truth.

It's still slime.
And monkey's are still monkey's.

 

[Matt Black]

I understand your statement and can say that through the years I have looked at other explanations but anyway you look at it, we are told that scripture is given by inspiration of God. If this is true and is what I must hold on to then I truly must accept the written account as accurate and not from man. Otherwise I then cast doubt on all scripture as having the potential for mistakes.

All of which I accept - but I still believe in theistic evolution...as have the vast majority of Godly Christians over the last 2000 years.

 

[Matt Black]

I don't care one bit if you ever believe me on anything whatsoever. means nothing to me. but if you believe Him, you'd believe Him when He says he spoke the creation into being.

Yep, I believe that. We just disagree as to how He created it.

Not man, and his false theories that are meant to contradict not only God, but His very existence.

No, you're quite right - I don't believe Man and his false theories like YECism; I do however accept the glaringly obvious factual data that in no way contradicts what God has written, but merely explains and demonstrates how He has done it.

Everything we see in scripture contradicts evolution.

Not quite. Everything in your interpretation of Scripture (hint: massive difference) contradicts evolution

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Not sure what you mean. Going to scripture and what it says. Thats where I'm going.
Gen. 1
3Then God said,
6Then God said,
9Then God said,
11Then God said,
14Then God said,
20Then God said,
24Then God said,
yep, looks like God spoke creation into being. but He is being challenged on this thread that maybe He isn't telling the truth.

It's still slime.
And monkey's are still monkey's.

No a Lemur may be a monkey like creature but it is not a monkey. Homo Erectus may be a monkey like creature but doesn't mean its a monkey. And primordial ooze is different than slime.

God Said he spoke Jesus is the word or the Logos. So as Jesus proceeds from the father he is creating? Is this what you are saying?

 

[donnA]

Evolution says 'creation' (not that evolutionists beleive in creation) was over millions of years. Not days. A christian who beleives evolutions disbeleive God's own testimony of creation. He spoke it happend, 6 days, as He said. he told us the how(spoke), and the time(6 days) it took.

 

[donnA]

God Said he spoke Jesus is the word or the Logos. So as Jesus proceeds from the father he is creating? Is this what you are saying?

You seem to be twisting anything I say, and I suspect your doing it on purpose.
I am only saying what scripture says.

 

[Matt Black]

Evolution says 'creation' (not that evolutionists beleive in creation) was over millions of years.

No, Christian theistic evolutionists do believe in creation.

Not days.

Not six literal days, no. That is plainly intellectually absurd!

A christian who beleives evolutions disbeleive God's own testimony of creation.

No, we merely disbelieve a particular man-made interpretation of that testimony, an interpretation that disregards things such as context, literary genre etc, an interpretation that, in short, reads the Bible badly.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Evolution says 'creation' (not that evolutionists beleive in creation) was over millions of years. Not days. A christian who beleives evolutions disbeleive God's own testimony of creation. He spoke it happend, 6 days, as He said. he told us the how(spoke), and the time(6 days) it took.

If you believe it to a literal.

 

[donnA]

Not six literal days, no.

I supose we'll just have to accept the fact God's a liar then. because He mislead us by saying 6 days.
It's not a man made interpetation, God Himself said 6 days.

 

[donnA]

If you believe it to a literal.

Why would I not believe the word of God to be true?

 

[webdog]

The problem is, how do you explain the fact that most scientists (including Christian scientists) believe that the Earth is millions of years old. While it is possible that God could have made the Earth look older than it is, and fossil remains older than they are, I just don't see why he would. It is dishonest and Jesus says he is ''the way, the truth and the life''.

Why can't the earth be millions of years old on day one? On the day God created Adam, Adam was immediately an adult. I believe every massive oak tree was created with age, too, as well as all animals. Each and every thing was created with age built in. The point is, we know God created with age, so on day one, the earth could have been billions of years old using the measurment we call time.

Evolution runs into the problem of creation and time. Did the fish turn into the monkey over time as an embryo, or fully adult monkey? Where are the intermediate forms at, if fossils prove evolution? I mean, they have to be there...right?!?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

You seem to be twisting anything I say, and I suspect your doing it on purpose.
I am only saying what scripture says.

I haven't twisted anything you said. I'm just asking you to clarify meaning. But yes I am doing it on purpose. (I'm teasing in a mischevious way.)

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Why would I not believe the word of God to be true?

two different statements. Literal verses true.

You can believe God to be speaking a principle that is true or you can take it to be literal. Jesus told the story of the prodical son. Principle or literal?

 

[just-want-peace]

Not six literal days, no. That is plainly intellectually absurd!

Bolded Mine

Well, m'friend, if you want to deny everything in scripture that is "
intellectually absurd", then you have just denied the virgin birth AND the resurrection!!!!

Not a good call for a Christian!!!

 

[Marcia]

I believe in the 6 days as 6 days for several reasons:

1) The account of Genesis is in a narrative style; if we don't believe the 6 days, what else in it should we not believe?

2) God would not mislead the people getting His word; at that time, the Jewish people would have thought "6 days" as they knew them and this is what God said

3) The 6 days are mentioned again in Exodus:

9"Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. Ex 20.9-11

 

[Revmitchell]

It is also the historical position held by Christians throughout most of Church history.

[eta - reply to Rev Mitchell]

Evolution most certainly was not believed or even understood through most of church history,