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Cathode

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37818 said:
God does the saving and keeps those He saves.
John 10:27-28, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. . . .
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“See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end “ Hebrews 3:12

It’s not that sheep are plucked away by anyone, the sheep can wander off of their own accord, they no longer hear His voice, then they are no longer Christ’s sheep.
Christ’s sheep hear His voice.
 
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It’s not that sheep are plucked away by anyone, the sheep can wander off of their own accord, they no longer hear His voice, then theyare no longer Christ’s sheep.Christ’s sheep hear His voice.
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The wording "neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Including the sheep. And the "never" perish, means not in any way.
 
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The wording "neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Including the sheep. And the "never" perish, means not in any way.
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The sheep that hear His voice are His sheep, the sheep that don’t hear His voice aren’t His sheep.
 
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37818

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The sheep that hear His voice are His sheep, the sheep that don’t hear His voice aren’t His sheep.
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Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Verse 22, trusting in their works.
 
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Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Verse 22, trusting in their works.
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That’s for the workers of iniquity.

This is for people of good works.

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 
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Saving Faith acts through Love, that is Good Works, Works of Love are the expression of saving Faith, because God is Love.

If you have a Faith that can move mountains but have no Love, you are nothing and will amount to nothing.

Yes you can have an intellectual assent type of Faith, but that is not enough.

You can have a next tier Faith that can move mountains and perform wonders, but that is not enough. This faith can even wrest and take from God’s treasury, for its own selfish purposes and vain glory, by sheer confidence that God has the power by His Name.

Even demons obtained concessions from the Lord to be sent into the pigs, rather than wander free to their greater torment.

No, you must have the saving Faith that acts through Love, this is the ultimate Faith that acts through Love.

The Faith of the widow that gave her last mite to the poor out of Love, Jesus praised this as the greatest fortune offered in the Temple that collection day.

Jesus wants us to have a faith that will give the last we have out of Love, out of Love for Him and out of Love for neighbour.

And in this we fulfil all the Commandments of God.
 
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I stand with the Scripture which teaches Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and that Baptism now saves us.

You denied both of these things, there is a great deal wrong with this.
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And aspirin for a headache. I always take aspirin to get full assurance that I will have a headache afterwards.

Baptism and aspirin. These are the things that you take because you have something instead of trying to get something.

Baptism for forgiveness of sins.
Baptism because of forgiveness of sins.

Aspirin for a headache.
Aspirin because of a headache.
 
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