Children Serving, Labouring, Working, Witnessing, etc. for the Lord

[Bro. Williams]

Hate is a strong word. I certainly would not hate your child. He/She is innocent, trying to please a parent.

That is why I used the word.

I didn't say hate my child, I said a picture of my child.

Trying to please a parent... exactly!

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Trying to please a parent... exactly!

Which is why a parent shouldn't misuse and abuse such trust and desire to please.

 

[Bro. Williams]

Are the children saved? Have they made a profession of faith?
If not... they are wrong...

It is hard to say. In truth, only they, the Lord, and the devil know for sure.

They are wrong? Prove it.

How effective is it to have young children on the streets...


How effective? What is your definition of effective? Mine is trying to serve the Lord, so very effective.

Sounds as if you are sending out the children to do the adult's job.

Sounds like you know little about the situation. Sounds like you think they aren't a dozen adults out there with them.

My child would not be standing there...

That is a pity you wouldn't let your child serve the Lord if he/she wanted to.

Nor would they attend your church.

Tim, if they are as lukewarm and conformed and liberal as... well, you know what I'm thinking. If they are, we don't need your child leavening the church.

Children need to be children... not pawns in the hands of over zealous Christians.

Zealous, interesting word.

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Or an even better passage to address those Rev. 3 Christians no one wants to labled under... the lukewarm laodiceans.

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

If we are zealots when Christ is telling us to be, glory to God.

Christ said to let the little children come to him... not go scream at sinners...

Who is denying them coming to Him? Are not Christians to go into all the world preaching the gospel? If these children are saved they are obeying the Lord, bub.

You are misusing a gift that God has given you.. children.

Give me chapter and verse on that. If you want to claim I am sinning against my children you need have more than you useless opinion.

Appreciate them.. don't use them!

I appreciate them so much, therefore I do use them to help me serve the Lord and will never deny their right to do so.

 

[Bro. Williams]

Which is why a parent shouldn't misuse and abuse such trust and desire to please.

I will say the same thing I said to timmy.

Give me chapter and verse on that. If you want to claim I am sinning against my children you need have more than you useless opinion.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Tim, if they are as lukewarm and conformed and liberal as... well, you know what I'm thinking. If they are, we don't need your child leavening the church.

So not only do you abuse your own kids, you insult Tim's children. Nice move, Sherlock.

 

[Joe]

Children serving the Lord in the example of their parents is disturbing?

I bet you all would hate the picture of my 2 year old passing out tracts at the super market! You would probably even claim I was a bad parent for letting him hold a sign while street preaching!

Yes, OF COURSE I would hate to see a picture of your toddler passing out tracts at the supermarket. And holding a sign for his daddy. He is only TWO YEARS OLD.

You don't belong here spreading this child abuse smut. A 2 year old toddler holding up a sign for daddy and being told to approach strangers to give them bible tracts is exploiting that poor toddler. Though it may not realize it...y-e-t

While churches spread the word of god's love to toddlers- kindergarden, yours are standing on a street corner with signs promoting the fear of god.

I do not want to even see your name on this BB so you will go back on ignore.

 

[Joe]

MP was posting while I typed.I am glad I am not the only one calling this Child Abuse. Bye

 

[Bro. Williams]

So not only do you abuse your own kids, you insult Tim's children. Nice move, Sherlock.

Still no evidence for your rank opinion on abuse. Typical.

And Tim drew first, and I responded. Get over it Watson.

 

[Bro. Williams]

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QUOTE=Joe]Yes, OF COURSE I would hate to see a picture of your toddler passing out tracts at the supermarket. And holding a sign for his daddy. He is only TWO YEARS OLD.

1. He wants to pass out tracts. He is more intelligent on that issue than most Christians. Am I to chastise or tell him not to pass them out?

You don't belong here spreading this child abuse smut.

Still no one can provide Bible stating that this is child abuse. **Insult removed**

A 2 year old toddler holding up a sign for daddy and being told to approach strangers to give them bible tracts is exploiting that poor toddler. Though it may not realize it...y-e-t

Exploiting. Clever. Yes, I take advantage of the situation tha tmy son enjoys passing out tracts and learning to serve the Lord at two years old.

While churches spread the word of god's love to toddlers- kindergarden, yours are standing on a street corner with signs promoting the fear of god.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

You should come hear some of their preaching Joe, you could use some of that wisdom. And thank God they are promoting the fear of the Lord, many are saved from such - see the book of Jude (it's in the NT... NT stands for New Testament... that's in your Bible...)

I do not want to even see your name on this BB so you will go back on ignore.

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Thank you, you can stop wasting my time with your opinion which has no merit in light of God's word.

 

[Bro. Williams]

MP was posting while I typed.I am glad I am not the only one calling this Child Abuse. Bye

Yes, together both of your posts equal opinions without merit and backing in light of God's word. Congratulations you are both officially useless to this present coversation.

Must I change the OP to include only evidence with Biblical support?

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I was recently (ignorantly) chastised by a member on this board for promoting children serving the Lord.

I did not address the issue on that thread because it did not belong there.

I would like to address the issue now. The member stated that:



Included after this quote was a picture of some children ministering and witnessing for the Lord which can be found on our website under the "About My Father's Business" book link. (which is free online so I am not promoting it for $)


First of all, the response to the pic wasn't meant with respect, that is obvious. Secondly, what is wrong with it?

What is wrong with children serving the Lord?

I haven't read through all the posts, but I just taught in family worship last night to my children how the prophet Samuel served the Lord BEFORE he knew the Lord and BEFORE the word of the Lord was revealed to him. See 1 Same 1-5.

 

[tinytim]

I will say the same thing I said to timmy.

I haven't been called timmy for while :wavey:
Actually I know when i go back to my home town... because that is what I am called there!!!

And as for the part about my kids... no big deal...
They are serving the lord with their own gift...

My oldest (15) is in charge of the powerpoint in my sermons... He has helped me prepare the slides, and he is the one that runs it... plus plays bass guitar for the choir.

My middle son loves to witness to people.. and is very effective (without screaming at passersby..) He also will pray out loud in church, for instance he gave the offeratory prayer yesterday... and he is 12 yrs old.

My youngest (11) is a helper in the nursery... this is where his passion lies. He loves helping and teaching young children... and the nursery teacher says he is a true asset to her.

You are right, I really don't know much about the way you use your children to serve the Lord..
But a picture is worth a 1000 words, and frankly they look like the children in Fred Phelps' church...
I may be miss judging, but when others drive by... guess what they are thinking! probably the same thing I am.

And yes my boys are growing up to be just like me... to love people into the kingdom... not scream them in.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Tim, sounds like you and your wife are raising some fine kids. Kudos to you both!

I am also surprised that since BW called you "Timmy", he didn't call me "Maggie"! :laugh:

 

[Rufus_1611]

The below passage is true abuse. Here are children mocking a prophet of God and the Lord sending bears out of the woods to tare them apart.

"So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake. And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." - 2 Kings 2:22-24​

Now, for clarity, the abuse is not to Elisha's credit and surely the Lord did not abuse those children for He exacted righteous judgment upon them. The abuse belongs to the parents of those children who raised them as heathens rather than raise them to respect and honor a prophet of God. Thus, these children were punished for their own iniquity but also for their parents iniquity in not training up their children in the way they should go. The primary point I desire to make here though, is that these children were cursed for their behavior. If children can be cursed for working against the Lord, then surely they can be blessed for laboring for the Lord.

"Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right." - Proverbs 20:11​

 

[Bro. Williams]

I haven't read through all the posts, but I just taught in family worship last night to my children how the prophet Samuel served the Lord BEFORE he knew the Lord and BEFORE the word of the Lord was revealed to him. See 1 Same 1-5.

Thanks for the post. WE just recently went through that study at church as well (actually it was one sermon). We will be adding that very sermon to the church's website, Lord Willing, today or tomorrow. Until then it can be found at:

http://www.biblepreachingarchives.org/Mark Lawless/

Under the title "Raising a Samuel".

Amen and thanks for the encouragement and the post.

 

[Bro. Williams]

I haven't been called timmy for while :wavey:
Actually I know when i go back to my home town... because that is what I am called there!!!

And as for the part about my kids... no big deal...
They are serving the lord with their own gift...

I am glad to here they are serving.

My oldest (15) is in charge of the powerpoint in my sermons... He has helped me prepare the slides, and he is the one that runs it... plus plays bass guitar for the choir.

My middle son loves to witness to people.. and is very effective (without screaming at passersby..) He also will pray out loud in church, for instance he gave the offeratory prayer yesterday... and he is 12 yrs old.

Why is it okay that your son can witness but mine cannot?

My youngest (11) is a helper in the nursery... this is where his passion lies. He loves helping and teaching young children... and the nursery teacher says he is a true asset to her.

You are right, I really don't know much about the way you use your children to serve the Lord..
But a picture is worth a 1000 words, and frankly they look like the children in Fred Phelps' church...

See, that Phelpsian line is quite overused. I could say thing in line of, "That guy seemed phelpsian to me because he was standing behing a pulpit in his church - which fred does as well".

The thing is, does every preacher that preaches in the open air seem phelpsian to you? You should really look back into history and see the open air preachers, from many denominations, openly "screaming" at them (in your words).

And children in Phelp's church are not holding scripture signs, their signs say things like "God hates fa*s", "God hates US soldiers", etc. We had a conversation about your glasses a while back, are you wearing them? I have mine on, let us both look again and double check before you continue to slur innocent children trying to serve the Lord.

I may be miss judging, but when others drive by... guess what they are thinking! probably the same thing I am.

I would say you are certainly misjudging. But if that is what they think, then that is what they think. Most people (I assume we are speaking of those lost, think tha tthe church is full of hypocrites, that if there is a heaven and hell that their good works will save them, that the Roman Catholic cult is a good institution, etc. etc.).

And yes my boys are growing up to be just like me... to love people into the kingdom... not scream them in.

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See, this is another thing you are not understanding. You didn't see me last night, standing on our little town square, witnessing to three teenagers, one on one about their souls. People have the misconception that we are all or nothing. We preach on the streets in such fashion because many get to see and hear scripture, but we are also adamant about one on witnessing to see folks saved. I don't stand there and "scream" in a teenagers face to get saved, I lead them through scripture. Beyond that, lifting one's voice to proclaim the gospel is not screaming, it is using a God given talent to proclaim his Gospel to the perishing. One more thing that you seem to be missing, I am fine with you preaching the way you preach, it isn't for me, but it is your right. As a Baptist I believe and preach soul liberty and liberty of conscience, that is, it is your right to worship and serve as you see fit. I may not always agree with you, and may preach against certain things in my church, but if that is what you want to do, you have every right. It never works the other way around though. The side crying foul (your side) is never as accepting and loving as they claim. Us big, mean, KJV streetpreachers are the only one's saying, "fine, do it your way, just do something and try and get people saved,, that is most important."...

Do you understand that there are people I can't reach because of the ministry we have? At the same time, there are roughly 118 other churches in this area that has the exact same approach as you, and they can pick up that slack. At the same time, there are people those churches will never be able to reach, that our church seems to be able to address and approach more efficiently. Not all are saved by hellfire and brimstone, not all are saved by ooey gooey love, but there are some on each side.

 

[tinytim]

This is why I said I don't fully know about your ministry...
I can only judge by the pictures...

Maybe you can reconsider using those pictures to accurately reflect your ministry...


I thank God He is using you to reach others...

 

[dan e.]

Bro. Williams, I just checked out the picture. I'm jumping to the end here to respond, I haven't read all the posts. But I can understand how some would consider the "picketing" look to be a poor way to minister, especially with children. That would be my initial thought on why someone wouldn't like it. Of course, Fred Phelps sure does cause that look to have a horrible impression, no matter how pure the motives are.

 

[Rufus_1611]

This is why I said I don't fully know about your ministry...
I can only judge by the pictures...

If you can only judge by the pictures then why do you feel compelled to judge at all?

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." - John 7:24​

Maybe you can reconsider using those pictures to accurately reflect your ministry...

I thank God He is using you to reach others...

 

[tinytim]

If you can only judge by the pictures then why do you feel compelled to judge at all?

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." - John 7:24
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Touche' See I'm not perfect no matter what I tell you!!!!:laugh: :tonofbricks: