China is faking its recovery from the coronavirus outbreak: report

[Revmitchell]

According to reports from the Chinese government, the worst of the coronavirus outbreak in the communist nation has passed, and even the hardest-hit regions have started returning to normal.


Those reports are being disputed by local Chinese officials who say the government is using deceptive measures to create the appearance of normal business operations and productivity, according to the Chinese media outlet Caixin.

Back to normal? For the first time since the coronavirus, known as COVID-19, was discovered, China has reported no new infections. For the past couple of days, the number of new reported deaths has been in the single digits.

As a result, some of the businesses in China that were forced to shut down have begun reopening, and some travel restrictions have been lifted (although that is creating some new issues, including a fear of imported COVID-19 cases).

Not what it seems: Although the Chinese government, well-known for concealing or manipulating information, would obviously prefer the world seeing signs of strength and recovery, that might not be the case. Chinese whistleblowers tell Caixin they're working to create an appearance that things are back to normal when they're not:

China is faking its recovery from the coronavirus outbreak: report

 

[Chickenlittle]

According to reports from the Chinese government, the worst of the coronavirus outbreak in the communist nation has passed, and even the hardest-hit regions have started returning to normal.


Those reports are being disputed by local Chinese officials who say the government is using deceptive measures to create the appearance of normal business operations and productivity, according to the Chinese media outlet Caixin.

Back to normal? For the first time since the coronavirus, known as COVID-19, was discovered, China has reported no new infections. For the past couple of days, the number of new reported deaths has been in the single digits.

As a result, some of the businesses in China that were forced to shut down have begun reopening, and some travel restrictions have been lifted (although that is creating some new issues, including a fear of imported COVID-19 cases).

Not what it seems: Although the Chinese government, well-known for concealing or manipulating information, would obviously prefer the world seeing signs of strength and recovery, that might not be the case. Chinese whistleblowers tell Caixin they're working to create an appearance that things are back to normal when they're not:

China is faking its recovery from the coronavirus outbreak: report

Maybe China is slowing the virus down. They are communist and can easily disperse crowds because the people are deathly afraid of their government. Refuse to separate and die. China has a greater chance of slowing it down because the people fear their government more than the virus.

 

[Use of Time]

Why would they lie if it’s just a media created hysterical hoax. Which is it Mitch?

 

[Van]

I was concerned about that too, but the S Korea trends look similar. As we often say, time will tell

 

[HankD]

it may also be a tool over which they have absolute control (which BTW was proven by the leak of the cure, the drug Hydroxychloroquine).

WHAT? The communist government sacrificed all these Chinese souls on the altar of political expediency?

Stalin did it to his people... Pol Pot, etc...

 

[Gold Dragon]

it may also be a tool over which they have absolute control (which BTW was proven by the leak of the cure, the drug Hydroxychloroquine).

What are you talking about? Please don't post misinformation like this. Hydroxychloroquine has not been found to be a cure yet by China or anyone else. It is one of several promising treatment options that are still being studied. It is being used in Italy for their protocols and they are still losing people in vast numbers.

It is an off patent drug so no country has control over it and anyone can manufacture it.

Chinese doctors and researchers have shared their data with regard to chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0

Coronavirus Covid-19: Chloroquine data; Japan to trial HIV drug

 

[HankD]

What are you talking about? Please don't post misinformation like this. Hydroxychloroquine has not been found to be a cure yet by China or anyone else. It is one of several promising treatment options that are still being studied. It is being used in Italy for their protocols and they are still losing people in vast numbers.

It is an off patent drug so no country has control over it and anyone can manufacture it.

Chinese doctors and researchers have shared their data with regard to chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine.

Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro

Coronavirus Covid-19: Chloroquine data; Japan to trial HIV drug

A Stanford University official made this revelation on the Tucker Carlson show last week. He said the cure was nearly 100%. Nay 100%.

 

[HankD]

 

[HankD]

French Peer-Reviewed Study: Our Treatment Cured 100% Of Coronavirus Patients
HUGE! Results from Breaking Chloroquine Study Show 100% Cure Rate for Patients Infected with the Coronavirus

 

[HankD]

Not misinformation but an unwelcome surprise leak by a scientist who for ego sake inadvertently let it slip IMO.

it will be buried by the Ministry of Truth by simply ignoring it.
we are having a lesson in being socially engineered for global solidarity (which has its pleasant moments).

However we must endure Father Andrew Cuomo waxing eloquent on Fox News in the morning hour about the marvelous New York City citizens and their resilience (ad nauseum) in their group neurosis.

also, there must be more suffering involved for this Gold Star crisis to achieve maximum victimhood for NYC Citizens
so its a little too early to introduce the cheap and easily accessible miracle covid 19 cure of chloroquinine.

So Father Cuomo might benefit from producing a Hollywood type video with lots of people in lots of gowns and lots of masks scurrying about distributing lots of ventilators to lots of NY victims of Trump's Virus (globalist name of COVID-19).

Then they might let the POTUS have the miracle cure credit of chloroquinine (after all he did introduce it on a recorded video first).

my opinion(s) of course

 

[Gold Dragon]

Again please do not post misinformation you do not understand. I actually posted that French paper on this forum 2 days ago in your Coronavirus Cure thread because Dr Didier Raoult released a prepublished copy of his paper as well as a video discussing his findings in the interest of spurring further research quicker for this urgent topic.

However, the guest on Tucker’s show misled Tucker’s audience into thinking this was some high quality amazing trial that is proof of a cure. Dr Fauci also talked about it yesterday and made the same comment I make that this is actually a low quality study with low numbers and while the results are cause for some hope and are a reason for further study, it should be viewed with lots of skepticism for now until further stronger evidence is available.

If you analyze medical papers for a career and read and assess them for quality, you would understand. The study had very few participants, was unblinded and there were very few controls to remove bias (for instance the treatment and controls were at two different sites, there was no randomization). That doesn’t mean the findings are incorrect, just that there are very large error bars you need to put around these results.

The correct response is further study with more robust trials and larger numbers which the FDA/CDC/medical community are correctly engaging in.

But to jump in and say there is a cure is incorrect. To say the Chinese hid that cure is completely false as Dr Raoult based his study on a published Chinese paper on the in vitro effects (in a laboratory under a microscope instead of in humans).

 

[HankD]

Again please do not post misinformation you do not understand. I actually posted that French paper on this forum 2 days ago in your Coronavirus Cure thread because Dr Didier Raoult released a prepublished copy of his paper as well as a video discussing his findings in the interest of spurring further research quicker for this urgent topic.

However, the guest on Tucker’s show misled Tucker’s audience into thinking this was some high quality amazing trial that is proof of a cure. Dr Fauci also talked about it yesterday and made the same comment I make that this is actually a low quality study with low numbers and while the results are cause for some hope and are a reason for further study, it should be viewed with lots of skepticism for now until further stronger evidence is available.

If you analyze medical papers for a career and read and assess them for quality, you would understand. The study had very few participants, was unblinded and there were very few controls to remove bias (for instance the treatment and controls were at two different sites, there was no randomization). That doesn’t mean the findings are incorrect, just that there are very large error bars you need to put around these results.

The correct response is further study with more robust trials and larger numbers which the FDA/CDC/medical community are correctly engaging in.

But to jump in and say there is a cure is incorrect. To say the Chinese hid that cure is completely false as Dr Raoult based his study on a published Chinese paper on the in vitro effects (in a laboratory under a microscope instead of in humans).

prove it true or untrue with your documentation.
perhaps you are disseminating misinformation.

Of course you would have to say Tucker was misled, that is totally predictable Mr. Dragon.

As a matter of fact I am a retired software Architect Engineer and have spent a goodly portion of my career in intel/info starting in my military jaunt.

you are simply expressing your opinions as I have.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Here is the study. it mentions that it is a small study, unblinded, and not randomized, that the controls were at a different site from the treatment group and that their rationale was based on a published Chinese in vitro study.

https://www.mediterranee-infection....2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

Here is Dr Fauci’s response.

President Trump and Coronavirus Task Force Hold News Conference | C-SPAN.org

Here is my original response a few days ago in the coronavirus cure thread you started.

This one could be a game changer. Two readily available affordable drugs (hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin). The study is not ideal from a design and size perspective but the findings are quite significant. I can see this as the basis of many larger better designed trials and we could have better answers in a very short time.

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19.pdf

 

[HankD]

Here is the study. it mentions that it is a small study, unblinded, and not randomized, that the controls were at a different site from the treatment group and that their rationale was based on a published Chinese in vitro study.

https://www.mediterranee-infection....2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

Here is Dr Fauci’s response.

President Trump and Coronavirus Task Force Hold News Conference | C-SPAN.org

Here is my original response.

did you look into this?
French Peer-Reviewed Study: Our Treatment Cured 100% Of Coronavirus Patients

 

[Gold Dragon]

did you look into this?
French Peer-Reviewed Study: Our Treatment Cured 100% Of Coronavirus Patients

That is all talking about the same study. The one I just posted the original report a few days ago. I have read the study and watched the video of Dr Raoult sharing his findings.

Like I said then, it is an encouraging finding that deserves further study. It is not evidence of a cure. We are trying to get that evidence but until we do, saying so is very premature.

 

[HankD]

or this
Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

 

[Gold Dragon]

or this
Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

Yes I am aware of Kaletra as well being researched as a cure. Results out of Italy so far are not promising.

The main drugs at the moment being considered are hydroxychloroquine/choloroquine and remdesivir (an antiviral used for Ebola). But this is a fast moving space as most drugs have only anecdotal evidence and no solid studies yet as these things take time and money.

 

[HankD]

so it comes down to a matter of opinions.

the others here can look into it for themselves and decide for themselves mr. dragon.

my thesis is (OK opinion) is that we are being manipulated by the Ministry of Truth (global press) prepping us for the one-world government (where the Bush-es and Clintons left off).

personally i think 4 weeks maximum before it runs its course.

 

[HankD]

Yes I am aware of Kaletra as well being researched as a cure. Results out of Italy so far are not promising.

The main drugs at the moment being considered are hydroxychloroquine/choloroquine and remdesivir (an antiviral used for Ebola). But this is a fast moving space as most drugs have only anecdotal evidence and no solid studies yet as these things take time and money.

OK I agree, anecdotal indeed but still we are sheep perhaps being led to the slaughter.

i just wonder how far the LORD will let this go if its forced downhill. Like what if the grid goes down?

something curious about the Italian disaster - it seems 70% of the victims are men.

 

[Gold Dragon]

so it comes down to a matter of opinions.

the others here can look into it for themselves and decide for themselves mr. dragon.

my thesis is (OK opinion) is that we are being manipulated by the Ministry of Truth (global press) prepping us for the one-world government (where the Bush-es and Clintons left off).

personally i think 4 weeks maximum before it runs its course.

Okaay.

I am reading reports from doctors. They are just reporting what they are finding. It is irresponsible to experiment on humans without their consent and some medically based rationale. So we need good evidence to base our decisions. Research often takes us down rabbit holes that initially look promising but on further research we find that the early results were misleading. This is the normal state of medical research and why “breakthroughs” are rare.

I guess the Illuminati could have gotten to these front line icu doctors telling us what they find works or doesn’t work. I’m not sure why you would say that.