China's Tallest Building Catches Fire, Does Not Collapse

[Steven2006]

And I understand it happened on the same planet
and in the same Century (the 21st Century, 2001-2100). :thumbsup:

LOL, Yeah, and the fact that both buildings have the words world, and center in their names must be proof. What was I thinking? :laugh:

 

[Ed Edwards]

LOL, Yeah, and the fact that both buildings
have the words world, and center in their names
must be proof. What was I thinking? :laugh:

I missed that connection Steven2006 -- thank you.
So if both the Chineese world center and the US World Center
are burnt -- doesn't that mean that the GLOBAL NEW WORLD
ORDER (One World! One Money! One nataS to Worship!)
is conflicting itself?

 

[Alcott]

The Chinese must know more about containing fire than we do. After all, they invented the firecracker about a thousand years ago, didn't they?

 

[Hope of Glory]

Curious: Were did you get that? Doesn't seem reasonable.

In looking for the number of gallons a while back, I took the number of gallons used for a fully loaded 747 (may have been a 757) and the maximun number of passengers and got that number. Someone else used the same number to show the difference between commercial jets and private jets used by the rock stars on the "Save the Earth" (whatever it was called) concerts a while back. Flying is also the safest form of travel, mile for mile, FWIW.

Of course, that assumes that every individual would drive, so it's not really a safe assumption. For example, if my family (3 people) drives, the MPG per person would be 1/3 of the MPG for the vehicle.

 

[JamieinNH]

So Jamie, are you saying that anyone who is not a conspiracy theorist is closed minded?

No Roger, not at all. But when you have a thread like this, you have people that are so set in their ways that they wouldn't know the truth if it hit them. With something like this, anything is possible, even the unimaigineable<sp> of thinking that our government did this. I don't think they did, but I am still open minded enough to listen and look over anything anyone has without discounting it first.

The people that are closed minded, you will noticed in thread after thread they are tough until a question is asked they can't answer and then they will bow out and say they hadn't enough, or it's not worth talking about or something along those lines.. Or they will start to throw names around and give quick demeaning quotes...

Of the people in this thread, how many has watched the video posted earlier in this thread? It wasn't made by a lefty or a nut case, it was put together by a right wing conservative, someone who was just looking for answers. That video asks some very pointed questions and yet, no one is willing to answer them or even debate them with an open minded point by point.

Standard stuff around here.. whether you're talking about 9-11 or a bible translation. Everyone is so stuck in the mud.. ie closed minded.

Nothing new really..

Jamie

 

[JamieinNH]

I'll be glad to spout off.
I've studyed enough of THE 9/11 Commission Report
(Authorized Version, First Edition) (Norton & co., undated)

On 9/11 I saw live the second building to collapse.
I figured that some bad guys, willing to die to confuse
Satan America, had done it -- it was part of the Grand Stanic
Conspiracy: the one that brought inquisition, Communism,
various and sundry 'ethnic clensings' etc., etc.

I've found no reason to change my belief.

In fact, under Carter I learned about PC = politically correct,
It is politically correct to be searching for the truth.
But when you find it and find it isn't some clammy thought
that seems dandy but is a person: Messiah Yeshua,
(AKA: 'Iesus' in the KJV1611 Edition, 'Jesus' in the KJV1769
Edition). When you find that truth, under PC - you are damned.

This world isn't my home,
I'm just passin' through.
My treasure is laid up
Somewhere beyond the blue.

Anyway, it is strangely & falsly arrogant
to say in short: you gotta study the misinformation
until you agree with me. Well, I can abe arrogant also:
If you don't agree with Ed Edwards, you are
WAY OUT OF LINE.

Some bad muslim terrorists with more fervor than
common sense flew some hi-jacked planes into
some buildings. Those buildings fell from the point of
impact down (WTC-7 was bombed from the top
by splatter from the other tawo and fell ground up -
just like a planned (but not a planned) fall.

It wasn't the government I was part of at all --
that is paranoia (a totally curable mental condition)

IMHO the bad muslim terrorists (and any kind of terrorists
like Christian abortionist killerss) should be killed as close to
home as possible. Amen.

Spout off yes, but you still didn't answer any of the above questions people have been asking.

No one has stated that they have to agree with anyone, but you have to be open to anything that is suggested, and if you're going to debate it then you have to be ready to answer the questions asked.

Did you watch the video that was linked earlier in this thread?

Also, as far as killing people like you mentioned in your last statement, you really need to rethink that. I am sure God doesn't want us to go around killing people. Saving them Ed, that's our job.. Saving them one by one...

Jamie

 

[Ed Edwards]

JamieinNH: // ... you have to be open
to anything that is suggested, ... //

That is inane. I have to filter out evil
before it goes into my head:

Phi 4:8 (KJV1611 Edition):
Finally, brethren, whatsoeuer things are true,
whatsoeuer things are honest,
whatsoeuer things are iust,
whatsoeuer things are pure,
whatsoeuer things are louely,
whatsoeuer things are of good report
if there bee any vertue,
and if there bee any praise,
thinke on these things:

Your lack of comment to this that you quoted
tells much about what is going on here:

In fact, under Carter I learned about PC = politically correct,
It is politically correct to be searching for the truth.
But when you find it and find it isn't some clammy thought
that seems dandy but is a person: Messiah Yeshua,
(AKA: 'Iesus' in the KJV1611 Edition, 'Jesus' in the KJV1769
Edition). When you find that truth, under PC - you are damned.

Yet you have the nerve to say to me (and those like me):

JamieinNH: //

... you still didn't answer any
of the above questions people have been asking. ...

JamieinNH: //Did you watch the video that was linked earlier in this thread?

No. The reason is noted above. I saw parts of
it. The charges were inane, thoughtless and
I'd violate Philippians 4:8 if I wasted one hour
and 30 minutes watching the whole thing.

Evil people filgured if they would slap
6-8 (it is hard to get enough suicide pilots) big
trans-continental aircraft into American
symbolic buildings - it would bring
terror -- they were very successfull.
It is my job to make their success
into a failure. Live your life doing what
the Lord has called you to do.

JamieinNH: //Also, as far as killing people like
you mentioned in your last statement,
you really need to rethink that.
I am sure God doesn't want us
to go around killing people.
Saving them Ed, that's our job..
Saving them one by one... //

I don't think so.
I don't know what you were called to do.
I do know what I was called to do.

1. I was called in 1952 unto the Lord's Salvation
2. I was called in 1958 unto helping
people get recruted into the Lord's Kingdom
2. I was called in 1963 to make better ways to
kill Chrisitan killers and world wide terrorists
(it is the intention of these beasts to make it
so nobody can preach Christ and him risen)
3. I was called in 1973 to help the Lord's
ministers to do a better job of their calling

What's on your ToDo list?
What were you called to do?

BTW I was working close to an aircraft modification/overhaul facility
once that had a 17-acre fire (about 1/10 of the roof) caused
by a welder not following safety rules. I don't think 40 inches
of burning tar made any of the colums collapse - but the
outer supporting walls were made of fireproof material.

 

[poncho]

WTC 7 didn't collapse from fire only, but on to 1 & 2 and your statement:

How many other steel framed skyscrapers have had thousands of gallons of jet fuel poured into them with a furnace-like draft to superheat the steel frame and cause the loss of structural integrity?

I have done advanced firefighting. Even diesel fires will cause steel structures to collapse. You don't have to melt it, just weaken it.

Now, as far as WTC 7 goes, did you see the damage to it caused by the collapes of the other two buildings?

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions. Do think there may be a chance you could do it this week? I mean we're already on page seven in this thread.

That is inane. I have to filter out evil
before it goes into my head:

"I'm not closed minded I just can't allow anything evil to get into my head...and questioning the official conspiracy theory is evil, lord Bush even said so."

Now that's a good one Ed! :applause:

I do declare the closer we get to the truth the zanier the excuses get for not looking at it.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

A debris & scrap paper fire compared with 9/11.

A small single engine plane crashing compared to 9/11.

Yup. We're the zany ones.

Thanx to Brother Ed for his biblical rebuke.

 

[poncho]

A debris & scrap paper fire compared with 9/11.

A small single engine plane crashing compared to 9/11.

Yup. We're the zany ones.

Thanx to Brother Ed for his biblical rebuke.

I couldn't help but notice you rarely if ever bring anything of substance to any of the discussions on 9/11 Bro Curtis. I suppose you have your reasons...like maybe yer scared of an open and honest debate of the all the facts? Like our brother Ed here apparently is. If I didn't know better I would think you two guys are only interested in keeping everyone else off topic and far away from all those undeniable facts and unanswered questions surrounding 9/11.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

There is no substance, here. Just a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum, 'cuz the grownups are tired of looking under their bed for monsters.

We have discussed facts, and the comparisons to the building in China, and the itty bitty airplane of fifty some odd years ago, don't fall into the "facts" category.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Also, Poncho, you have been asked thousands of times for some biblical precident for those who want to "fight the power", you know, because you claim Christ and everything, which you never fail to not give. Seems like you only wanna talk about the stuff you wanna talk about. Everyone else doesn't get it.

 

[poncho]

There is no substance, here. Just a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum, 'cuz the grownups are tired of looking under their bed for monsters.

We have discussed facts, and the comparisons to the building in China, and the itty bitty airplane of fifty some odd years ago, don't fall into the "facts" category.

Would that be same grownups that would have us all believe Al Qaeda is under every bed waiting to chop all our heads off...cuz they hate freedom?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Yeah, poncho, I'm more afraid of head-choppin muslims than Bush & Cheney. I guess that makes me a neocon, eh ? Or just dumb ?

So, Jesus says submit, and do his work. Got anything that trumps that ?

 

[poncho]

Also, Poncho, you have been asked thousands of times for some biblical precident for those who want to "fight the power", you know, because you claim Christ and everything, which you never fail to not give. Seems like you only wanna talk about the stuff you wanna talk about. Everyone else doesn't get it.

When I first came to BB I posted a thread on Romans 13 and in that thread I gave you all that and more. Believe it or not I get tired of repeating myself to people who don't listen. Pardon me for saying so Bro Curtis but it's starting to look like more people are "getting it" everyday. I think in the near future you'll find fewer and fewer people in your camp believing the conspiracy theory you subscribe too.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Believe it or not I get tired of repeating myself to people who don't listen.

:laugh:

You'll post up the same conspiracy theories ad nauseum, but won't repeat a bible verse you posted up years ago ?

Nope, I don't believe you.

 

[poncho]

Yeah, poncho, I'm more afraid of head-choppin muslims than Bush & Cheney. I guess that makes me a neocon, eh ? Or just dumb ?

No, that makes you a victim of neocon propaganda. Just like liberals are the victim of liberal propaganda.

So, Jesus says submit, and do his work. Got anything that trumps that ?

I don't believe Jesus ever told us to submit. He told us to turn the other cheek, carry a pack two miles instead of just one, and to give up our cloak also. All of these things He told us can only be equated with the act of submission if you deny the clear historical context of the time He spoke those words and overlook the status of those who He was speaking too.

What He was saying was do not repay evil with evil but force the hand of the evildoers in such a way as their brutal actions will betray their true natures for all the world to see.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Those words are to the Jews of his time, who were under Roman law. The woman who didn't get stoned is a good example, the Jews had no such authority.

I disagree with your premise of showing the world how evil the evildoers are, I see it more as letting Christ's light shine thru you.


Any instance of Christ telling his people to challenge Roman law ?

 

[poncho]

Believe it or not I get tired of repeating myself to people who don't listen.

:laugh:

You'll post up the same conspiracy theories ad nauseum, but won't repeat a bible verse you posted up years ago ?

Nope, I don't believe you.

I don't care if you believe me or not. This wouldn't be the first time you've called me a liar now would it? That's what it always comes down to in these threads isn't it? You're just upset that I won't shut up and submit to you and others like you.

That ain't gonna happen brother so get used to it.

 

[poncho]

Those words are to the Jews of his time, who were under Roman law. The woman who didn't get stoned is a good example, the Jews had no such authority.

I disagree with your premise of showing the world how evil the evildoers are, I see it more as letting Christ's light shine thru you.


Any instance of Christ telling his people to challenge Roman law ?

Yes, I just gave you three of them.

Like I said earlier. You seem to be more interested in avoiding any open and honest discussion of 9/11 by turning it your own personal vendeta against us "moron truthers" than actually debating all the facts. I think yer scared to death we "morons" may be right. :smilewinkgrin: