Choose ye this day whom ye will serve

[AustinC]

I really do not know why you fight so hard against the bible? But lets for a moment say you are right, that God determines all things, then if you keep fighting against what I say is biblical and God has determined that I say those things would that not mean that you are fighting against God. See your own theology shows that you are in error. But of course you will deny that as God has determined all that you say and think. And since what you are saying does not line up with the bible then I would have to conclude that you must be one of those that have been given that false sense of salvation so you will feel your condemnation all the more.

No one is fighting against the Bible. Here's a newsflash, Silverhair, you are NOT the Bible and your interpretation of the Bible is not correct.
Silverhair, God has allowed your false teaching to be shared at the BB. He has allowed me to respond back and show those who read this thread how wrong you are so that others won't follow your folly.

 

[Reformed1689]

I quote what they say you just do not like what they say.
Your theology has you standing with your feet firmly planted in the air.

Again, show one example where you QUOTE what they say without changing anything. I mean direct quotes, not paraphrases. You make outrageous claims and never back them up.

 

[AustinC]

Actually I have dealt with your scripture that you have presented and pointed out that in your rush to attack others you do not even understand what you have posted.

Provide the post where you have done this.
I understand exactly what I post. I will wait for you to provide the post where you attempt to correct my understanding of John 10, Romans 8, Ephesians 1 and 1 Peter 1.

 

[Reformed1689]

You can claim to be that you agree with the bible but if what you say and post dos not show that what would you expect me to say?

My posts don't show you YOUR view. That doesn't mean I don't agree with the Bible, it means I don't agree with you.

 

[Silverhair]

Pretty much everything.

Just because I do not accept the calvinist doctrine does not mean that I do not see the errors in you tthinking. You just would like everyone to agree with your view point but most of us prefer to follow the bible not calvinism.

 

[Silverhair]

Proof? Where have I done this? Where do you QUOTE Calvinists and not paraphrase incorrectly?

show me where, but remember try to be in context.

 

[Silverhair]

Provide the post where you have done this.
I understand exactly what I post. I will wait for you to provide the post where you attempt to correct my understanding of John 10, Romans 8, Ephesians 1 and 1 Peter 1.

Just about any post you have done where I have used your quotes to show you your error.

 

[Silverhair]

My posts don't show you YOUR view. That doesn't mean I don't agree with the Bible, it means I don't agree with you.

Well we agree on one thing I don't agree with your view either.

 

[AustinC]

Just about any post you have done where I have used your quotes to show you your error.

Then this should be easy for you.
Provide the post where you have done this.
I understand exactly what I post. I will wait for you to provide the post where you attempt to correct my understanding of John 10, Romans 8, Ephesians 1 and 1 Peter 1.

 

[Reformed1689]

Just because I do not accept the calvinist doctrine does not mean that I do not see the errors in you tthinking. You just would like everyone to agree with your view point but most of us prefer to follow the bible not calvinism.

You don't even know what I believe, when you "say what I believe" you say something that I have not actually argued. So no, you don't see errors in my thinking because you attack something I and @AustinC as well as others have not actually stated.

 

[Reformed1689]

show me where, but remember try to be in context.

Show YOU where? I asked you to show me one time where you have quoted Calvinists with a direct quote and not a paraphrase and I have disputed it. The burden is on you sir.

 

[Silverhair]

You don't even know what I believe, when you "say what I believe" you say something that I have not actually argued. So no, you don't see errors in my thinking because you attack something I and @AustinC as well as others have not actually stated.

Are you a calvinist? If so then I have disagreed with your theology. If you are a calvinist and you say you do not hold to TULIP or LBCF/WCF then what kind of calvinist are you. Do you not hold to what calvin and or augustine put forward?

 

[Reformed1689]

Are you a calvinist? If so then I have disagreed with your theology. If you are a calvinist and you say you do not hold to TULIP or LBCF/WCF then what kind of calvinist are you. Do you not hold to what calvin and or augustine put forward?

I am Calvinist. I am in agreement with the LBCF, but not the WCF. However, I do not use that document to enforce my position, I use Scripture. Nor do I use TULIP as an acronym because it is poor word choices. But you do not put forth what Calvinism is, you put forth massive strawman arguments.

 

[Silverhair]

Show YOU where? I asked you to show me one time where you have quoted Calvinists with a direct quote and not a paraphrase and I have disputed it. The burden is on you sir.

Since you say you have never disputed any of the calvinist quotes that I used to point out the errors of that theology, then you must agree that calvinism has errors in it. Good to see that you are starting to see the flaws in calvinism.

 

[Reformed1689]

Since you say you have never disputed any of the calvinist quotes that I used to point out the errors of that theology, then you must agree that calvinism has errors in it. Good to see that you are starting to see the flaws in calvinism.

Can you read English? I mean really! I am saying YOU DO NOT QUOTE CALVINISTS. You give your paraphrases that aren't the Calvinist position at all.

 

[Silverhair]

Then this should be easy for you.
Provide the post where you have done this.
I understand exactly what I post. I will wait for you to provide the post where you attempt to correct my understanding of John 10, Romans 8, Ephesians 1 and 1 Peter 1.

As I said just about any post the you have done where I used your own quotes to point out your error. Since you say you know exactly what you write it should be easy for you to find them.

 

[Silverhair]

I am Calvinist. I am in agreement with the LBCF, but not the WCF. However, I do not use that document to enforce my position, I use Scripture. Nor do I use TULIP as an acronym because it is poor word choices. But you do not put forth what Calvinism is, you put forth massive strawman arguments.

Well if you agree with the LBCF you still follow errors in logic. And if, as you say, you do not use TULIP what do you use? Do you affirm or deny what TULIP stands for. You may articulate it differently but do you hold to the basic teachings?

 

[Reformed1689]

Well if you agree with the LBCF you still follow errors in logic. And if, as you say, you do not use TULIP what do you use? Do you affirm or deny what TULIP stands for. You may articulate it differently but do you hold to the basic teachings?

Radical Depravity, Sovereign Election, Definite Atonement, Irresistible Call, and Preserving Grace.

But again, I don't think you can show errors because you can't even articulate what Calvinists believe.

 

[Silverhair]

No one is fighting against the Bible. Here's a newsflash, Silverhair, you are NOT the Bible and your interpretation of the Bible is not correct.
Silverhair, God has allowed your false teaching to be shared at the BB. He has allowed me to respond back and show those who read this thread how wrong you are so that others won't follow your folly.

Well I find your answer interesting. Since I use the bible and have not based my theology on a man made theory it would seem that you are the one that is being false in your teaching. Agree I am not the bible, as I have said a number of times I just use the bible. What you call my interpretation of the bible is just me posting quotes from the bible. I do not really have to add much as the bible will defend itself. So if you do not agree with what I have posted then your disagreement is with the bible not me. You seem to be the one that is adding your own comments to explain the text.

Do you think that if the bible does not agree with your theology then it is in error? Seems your stepping into dangerous ground. I will say that you do seem to have a very high opinion of yourself Austin.

You know what they say "pride comes before the fall" you should humble yourself before it is to late.

 

[Silverhair]

Radical Depravity, Sovereign Election, Definite Atonement, Irresistible Call, and Preserving Grace.

But again, I don't think you can show errors because you can't even articulate what Calvinists believe.

So you use different words but how are they any different from TULIP?

So if you think I can not articulate what calvinist believe, then enlighten me. Now is your best chance to clearly put your views out for all to see.

We will have to continue this latter as it is late here and I have to get some sleep. TaTa