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I really do not know why you fight so hard against the bible? But lets for a moment say you are right, that God determines all things, then if you keep fighting against what I say is biblical and God has determined that I say those things would that not mean that you are fighting against God. See your own theology shows that you are in error. But of course you will deny that as God has determined all that you say and think. And since what you are saying does not line up with the bible then I would have to conclude that you must be one of those that have been given that false sense of salvation so you will feel your condemnation all the more.

 

Actually I have dealt with your scripture that you have presented and pointed out that in your rush to attack others you do not even understand what you have posted.

 

The errors you have pointed out don't exist. You don't argue against Calvinism, Like Van, I don't know what you are arguing against but it isn't Calvinism.

 

Let me fix your error here:

YOU rush to attack others so that you do not even understand what THEY have posted.

 

You keep going back to these verses and why I am not sure. Do you think that I deny what the bible says? Well you must as you keep saying that I do, I have attempted to clear that up but you are not listening. You think that unless someone understands the text as a calvinist would then they cannot really understand the text.

I do not have to read a text and run it through a calvinist filter to understand it. That is on you.

Jesus told the Jewish leaders why they did not understand His words or His works. They were not His sheep. From the human perspective, we become His sheep when we believe; but from Gods’ perspective, we believe because we are His sheep. God foreknows all those that are going to freely trust in His son and we trust in His son when we respond to the gospel message.

I have shown you these text a number of times it the hope that you will actually take them to heart. Trust what the bible says not what you want it to say.

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,


1Co 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
1Co 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

I just read the text and it is clear what the text says, I do not have to read into or change the meaning of words. Perhaps this time you will actually believe what these verses say.

 

Then it seems clear that you are in denial about what calvinism is. When we quote calvinists and you say that is not what calvinists say, well what more can I say.

 

What have you posted that I do not understand?

 

One false claim after another. First I am called a Calvinism basher, then said I have not argued against Calvinism.
Then my objective evidence, Calvinism claimed God did not command all people to repent, which is an unbiblical claim is falsely called a strawman. But this irrefutable truth is not addressee.

 

Calvinist view

The central truth proclaimed by Calvinism, Calvinism that is faithful to its heritage, is the absolute sovereignty of God." Calvin expressly taught that it is God's sovereign decision to determine whether an individual is saved or damned.

As a Calvinist, I believe God's Sovereignty to mean God has actively decreed all that will come to pass, and has done so for His glory in all things. God knows all that will come to pass because He has determined it, however not in the passive sense like I determine the temperature of water by touching it. Rather, God has actively determined all that will come to pass, and nothing occurs outside of God's decree.

Are either of these stated views wrong about calvinism?

 

Yes, I think you deny what the Bible says in those passages.
And, you choose to reduce the Bible to an out of context sound byte when you quote the Bible.
You use Silverhairian goggles on the Bible. And those goggles are far, far, worse than either Calvin or Arminius wore.

 

Off topic. This thread isn't about John Calvin. You are speaking to your strawman again.

 

To put it simply? Yes.

 

Pretty much everything.

 

Because I have already told you AGREE that God commanded all to repent. So quit claiming that I didn't. That's called dishonesty.

 

Proof? Where have I done this? Where do you QUOTE Calvinists and not paraphrase incorrectly?

 

You are funny, and you should take that as a complement.

 

Just trying to show you where your theology comes from. Since you do not seem to know that.

 

You can claim to be that you agree with the bible but if what you say and post dos not show that what would you expect me to say?

 

I quote what they say you just do not like what they say.
Your theology has you standing with your feet firmly planted in the air.

 

I quoted Bible passages where my theology comes from. You refuse to accept or admit that my theology comes from the Bible. Silverhair, my faith is grounded wholly in the Bible and what it teaches. No matter how desperate you are to ascribe it to something else, my faith is wholly grounded in the Bible. My theology is wholly grounded in the Bible.

You have created a strawman and false assertion against me, which makes you a deceptive person.