Brightfame52
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You made the negative comment.
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Brightfame52
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Yes it does. A reconciled to God person is saved. Now according to Rom 5:10 how were they reconciled to God ?
Silverhair
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BF your looking for a comment that says " the death of Jesus Christ saved no one." That is you looking for the negative.
The bible says clearly that we are saved by His life and you continue to deny this.
5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Silverhair
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Your comment is illogical BF.
5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled G2644 to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved G4982 by His life.
reconciled G2644
to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
a. to reconcile (those who are at variance)
b. return to favour with, be reconciled to one
c. to receive one into favour
saved G4982
1. to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
b. to save in the technical biblical sense
c. to deliver from the penalties of the messianic judgment
d. to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the messianic deliverance
Reconciled
RECONCI'LED, pp. Brought into friendship from a state of disagreement or enmity; made consistent; adjusted.
Saved
SA'VED, pp. Preserved from evil; injury or destruction; kept frugally; prevented; spared; taken in time.
Being reconciled to God is not being saved BF. That is just another of the misunderstandings you have with regard to the word of God.
Brightfame52
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Thats what you literally said.
Brightfame52
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The reconciled are saved and received into the favor of God. How were they put into Gods favor, reconciled according to Rom 5:10 ? Do you believe a person reconciled to God in His favor/grace is a lost person ?
Silverhair
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Yes I know I did because it is biblical.
The bible does not support your view of the death of Christ saves BF. We are saved by His life.
Silverhair
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They are still lost until they trust in Him for their salvation.
If we went by your logic then all would be saved and that is universalism.
But that has been pointed out to you many times but you seem to trust man more than the word of God.
Brightfame52
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No its not biblical, its Blasphemy against Christ. Its one of worse things a person can say against the Saviour.
Brightfame52
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Thats false, a reconciled person is saved from the penalty of their sins. God doesnt impute sin to them 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
Brightfame52
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All are not reconciled to God. So how is that universalism ? Reconciliation doesnt apply to the unreconciled in their sins.
Silverhair
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The bible does not agree with you BF so you need to stop the lies.
Silverhair
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BF you really need to do more bible study. God overlooks the sins of all mankind because Christ was the atonement from our sins. That does not mean we were saved as that requires that we freely trust in Him.
Brightfame52
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How are these reconciled to God ? Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
How were these healed/saved 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
The word healed here is the greek word iaomai:
- to cure, heal
- to make whole
- to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
Brightfame52
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The reconciled dont have any sins imputed to them because of the death of Christ.
The ones Jesus didnt die for die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
So they not reconciled by the Death of Christ
Silverhair
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BF now you are just proving that you do not even trust the word of God.
1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
As you said BF
2Co_5:19 that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s trespasses against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
BF do you not know what the word "world" means?
Silverhair
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BF this will come to you as a shock but when you have options as to the meaning to place on a word you look at the context to find the correct meaning.
If we go by your chosen meaning of healed meaning salvation then you are promoting universalism.
Brightfame52
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The world of the elect. Thats a given since the world Christ died for doesnt have any sin charged to them. 1 Jn 2:2 is the same reconciled world of the elect with no sin charged to it, saved by the death of Christ which you deny
Brightfame52
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How were they healed/saved according to 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. What you think stripes mean ?
Silverhair
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BF you need to get your logic straight. You seem to think you should cherry pick out of context verses and even just parts of verses. No wonder you have no clue about salvation or the truths of God's word.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You continue to ignore the rest of the verse BF. Why is that?
The bible is clear that we are all sinners in need of salvation:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
We are also told that Christ came so those that trusted in Him could be saved:
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”