Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 3

[Silverhair]

The world of the elect. Thats a given since the world Christ died for doesnt have any sin charged to them. 1 Jn 2:2 is the same reconciled world of the elect with no sin charged to it, saved by the death of Christ which you deny

Now you really have lost it BF. You seem to think that your false religion is the standard rather than the word of God.

 

[Silverhair]

How were they healed/saved according to 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. What you think stripes mean ?

Already answered you BF. You just do not like the truth.

The reality BF is that you follow a pagan philosophy brought into the church in the 4th century. Because of that you have a distorted view and understanding of scripture.

This evident from your inability to even follow the simple truths placed before you in scripture.

What are we told is the means of our salvation in this verse BF?
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you need to get your logic straight. You seem to think you should cherry pick out of context verses and even just parts of verses. No wonder you have no clue about salvation or the truths of God's word.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Yes and you deny the saving death of Christ. When one is reconciled they are in the favor of God, they also have peace with God Col 1 20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Peace with God is Salvation. You heard of the Gospel of Peace Isa 52 7

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

 

[Brightfame52]

Already answered you BF. You just do not like the truth.

What does heal mean ? And how were they healed ? 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Silverhair]

Yes and you deny the saving death of Christ. When one is reconciled they are in the favor of God, they also have peace with God Col 1 20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Peace with God is Salvation. You heard of the Gospel of Peace Isa 52 7

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

We have peace with God through the atonement of Christ Jesus. But we are only saved through faith in the risen Christ.

The atonement reconciled the whole world to God but that is not salvation BF or we would see everyone saved and that is not biblical.

 

[Silverhair]

What does heal mean ? And how were they healed ? 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

We are reconciled to God through Christ Jesus but that is not salvation we see this truth in this verse.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!

But it seems you are unable to understand those words.

 

[Brightfame52]

We have peace with God through the atonement of Christ Jesus.

Thats salvation, reconciliation. Isa 53 5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

The chastisement of our peace; those punishments by which our peace, i.e. our reconciliation to God, and salvation, or happiness, was to be purchased.

Was upon him; was laid upon him by God’s justice with his own consent.

With his stripes we are healed; by his sufferings we are saved from our sins, and from the dreadful effects thereof. Isaiah 53:5 Commentaries: But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

 

[Brightfame52]

We are reconciled to God through Christ Jesus but that is not salvation we see this truth in this verse

What does healed mean here and how was it accomplished according to 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Silverhair]

Thats salvation, reconciliation. Isa 53 5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

BF you can say it a 100 times and it will not make it true. Reconciliation is not salvation.

 

[Silverhair]

What does healed mean here and how was it accomplished according to 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Just what it sat BF. Our sins were covered by the suffering and death Of Christ. But we are not saved until we trust in the risen Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you can say it a 100 times and it will not make it true. Reconciliation is not salvation.

You cant receive the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Its crystal clear that the reconciled are saved and God is at peace with them, they are received into His Favor. They will not have sin charged to them 2 Cor 5 19

 

[Brightfame52]

Just what it sat BF. Our sins were covered by the suffering and death Of Christ.

It says it brings about one salvation. Now how was that done ?

The word heal iaomai:

1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

Also the ones whose sins are covered by Christ are forgiven and blessed, thats salvation also Rom 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Now what you going to do, you backed yourself up into a corner.

 

[Silverhair]

You cant receive the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Its crystal clear that the reconciled are saved and God is at peace with them, they are received into His Favor. They will not have sin charged to them 2 Cor 5 19

The whole world is reconciled to God through the death of Christ so by your words you are prompting universalism and that is heresy.

 

[Silverhair]

It says it brings about one salvation. Now how was that done ?

By faith in the risen Christ BF.

 

[Brightfame52]

The whole world is reconciled to God through the death of Christ so by your word

Yes of the elect. Not unless you promote universalism because the reconciled are saved

 

[Brightfame52]

By faith in the risen Christ BF.

No it doesnt say by Faith, dont add to the text. What does the text say 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How were they healed sir ?

 

[Silverhair]

Yes of the elect. Not unless you promote universalism because the reconciled are saved

Your reading your false religion into the text again BF.

The more you make your false claims the more you will be judged for those words. Do you not fear the Lord and His judgement?

 

[Silverhair]

No it doesnt say by Faith, dont add to the text. What does the text say 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How were they healed sir ?

BF your error is that you cherry pick verses and ignore the whole word of God as it does not support your false religion.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!

You are trusting in the teachings of men rather than trusting the word of God.

Healed in 1 Pet 2:24 does not mean saved BF.

Notice is the similarity between this verse and the prophecy of Isaiah 53
He took up our infirmities Isa_53:4
He will bear their iniquities Isa_53:11
He bore the sin of many Isa_53:12

A prophecy fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Jesus endured God's curse when he suffered and died on the cross. He gave his body as a sacrifice/atonement/propitiation for our sins.

Why? “So that we might die to sins and live for righteousness.” When we come to God in repentance and faith we are saved. Note what we are told in John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

Christ's death on the cross did not save anyone but it did make salvation possible for everyone that would freely trust in the risen Christ.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

 

[Brightfame52]

Your reading your false religion into the text again BF.

Im witnessing to you the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and see your response

 

[Brightfame52]

Healed in 1 Pet 2:24 does not mean saved BF

Yes it does. His death/stripes brings about our salvation.

I showed you what a commentator said here

The chastisement of our peace; those punishments by which our peace, i.e. our reconciliation to God, and salvation, or happiness, was to be purchased.

Was upon him; was laid upon him by God’s justice with his own consent.

With his stripes we are healed; by his sufferings we are saved from our sins, and from the dreadful effects thereof.

Isaiah 53:5 Commentaries: But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. Matthew Poole

The healing is a result of this 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

If thats not your Gospel, you have a false gospel