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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour !

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Brightfame52

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Marooncat79 said:
I was chosen hence believe the Gospel according to I Cor 15:1-8.
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Yes we have to be chosen to believe the Truth of the Gospel after sanctification of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
No matter what you trust Christ as a potential possible Saviour since you believe there are people He came to save, shall still be lost in their sins in unbelief anyway.
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The Holy Spirit makes it clear that not all will come to trust in Christ
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

And in vs 17 we see just who Christ came to save
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

And in vs 16 we see why people will be saved
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Marooncat79 said:
I was chosen hence believe the Gospel according to I Cor 15:1-8. I could not do it myself. There is no good thing in me

Yes. The Bible teaches that faith is a gift of God. Epj 2:8-10

Yes. God deceives people. Thats why we are tonexamine ourselves to see if we are in the faith
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But you still have not dealt with the major problem you have with your view, how do you know for sure you were chosen. The best you can do is hope you were.

Actually you are wrong on Eph 2:8-10. Salvation is the gift of God not ones faith. We see this clearly stated in Romans
Rom_6:23 the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So you are trusting in what you think is the faith you were given to prove you actually have faith. That is circular thinking.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Did the Holy Spirit make it clear to you that Jesus blood saved no one and merely made salvation possible ?
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Yes the Holy Spirit was quite clear BF.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

Heb_11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

Joh 20:31 But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

So we see that salvation is through the risen Christ not one that stayed in the grave.

You need people saved by His death as it fits your man-made religion, you need an unconditional salvation. The bible says we are saved by the risen Christ that we have freely placed our trust in for our salvation.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
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You believe after Christ died for sins, people He died for are still in their sins. Christ rising from the dead means them He died for are saved from their sins. But you dont believe that.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You believe after Christ died for sins, people He died for are still in their sins. Christ rising from the dead means them He died for are saved from their sins. But you dont believe that.
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Well you can believe what the Holy Spirit says or you can continue to believe what you do now.

Christ was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world BF, are you saying that the whole world was saved?
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Good thing that I am not asking you.
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I dont need you to ask me. The Holy Spirit reveals the saving death of Christ Jn 16

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Glorifying Christ isnt shewing you that His death saved no one
 
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