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Christian Democrat. Oxymoron.

carpro

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RATs aren't stupid. Just childishly selfish. They can't have it their way, so they want to punish everyone by helping elect Hillary.
 

carpro

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What is selfish is to expect people to bend their consciences and their beliefs to what you guys want.

Sounds good, but it doesn't track. Find a new excuse for wanting to see this republic destroyed.
 

Alcott

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Christians do not support policies that lead the poor to hunger, ill health, and bad nutrition.

Of course. They support legalizing armed robbery against anyone who makes more than $45,000/year so those poor hungry street people can eat and gat a room.
 

Revmitchell

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RATs aren't stupid. Just childishly selfish. They can't have it their way, so they want to punish everyone by helping elect Hillary.

Or people who do not support Trump have a conscience and will not vote for an immoral man. Just because the options are not great and just because we are afraid does not mean we should give up principles. Me, I am voting my principles and Trump does not meet them.

Those who do support Trump either have poor principles or are just voting out of fear. This is the reason we have corrupt politicians today. People are willing to compromise their principles to gain other things. Sad.
 

InTheLight

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Those who do support Trump either have poor principles or are just voting out of fear. This is the reason we have corrupt politicians today. People are willing to compromise their principles to gain other things. Sad.

Yep. If we keep supporting these lousy candidates the GOP puts out there, we're going to keep on getting lousy candidates. After Romney, I said I would never vote for another RINO. Trump is a democrat who happens to not be named Clinton, so I can't vote for him. Not being named Clinton would be good enough for most Trump supporters.
 

carpro

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Yep. If we keep supporting these lousy candidates the GOP puts out there, we're going to keep on getting lousy candidates. After Romney, I said I would never vote for another RINO. Trump is a democrat who happens to not be named Clinton, so I can't vote for him. Not being named Clinton would be good enough for most Trump supporters.

I guess that's a good enough reason to contribute to the destruction of America by helping Hillary get elected. For some.
 

Revmitchell

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Yep. If we keep supporting these lousy candidates the GOP puts out there, we're going to keep on getting lousy candidates. After Romney, I said I would never vote for another RINO. Trump is a democrat who happens to not be named Clinton, so I can't vote for him. Not being named Clinton would be good enough for most Trump supporters.

Trump is neither a Democrat nor a republican. He is neither a conservative nor a liberal. He is an opportunist. He does not fit in anyone's little box. He is definitely an outsider. However, being an outsider in and of itself is not a virtue.
 

InTheLight

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I guess that's a good enough reason to contribute to the destruction of America by helping Hillary get elected. For some.

I thought America was going to be destroyed by Obama's administration. Now it's Hillary that will do the deed. The difference is that Obama is much more ideologically pure leftist than Hillary. So if Obama couldn't do it, I doubt Hillary can do it.
 

Lewis

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Politicians of both parties have for years left our borders unsecured, and gone along with amnesties for millions of illegals.

They have committed the US to pointless climate treaties designed only to transfer wealth to less developed countries. As former Canadian environmental minister stated: "No matter if the science is phony, there are collateral benefits. Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."

Obama said that he wanted to put coal companies out of business. He is succeeding by imposing ever more stringent regulation. He opposed fracking, but now takes credit for the energy boom.
Hillary will do the same.

They have allowed corporations to hide their money in foreign accounts where it cannot be taxed, and allowed China to use unfair trade practices putting millions of US workers out of a job.

Trump may not be a righteous man, and speaks in rude ways. But then the New Testament says that all have sinned and fall short. We also see in the Old Testament how God used pagan kings to accomplish His will, and even called them "My servant".

Jimmy Carter (and *ahem* others) have on paper been good bible-believing Christians who speak in all the correct ways. But I would never vote for Carter again.
 

InTheLight

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Trump may not be a righteous man, and speaks in rude ways. But then the New Testament says that all have sinned and fall short. We also see in the Old Testament how God used pagan kings to accomplish His will, and even called them "My servant".

This sort of reasoning opens the door to all sorts of possibilities. All are sinners. God can use pagans to achieve his purpose. (You forgot, "we're not voting for pastor.") That's a very low bar to set.

OK, so vote for anyone. Vote for Jill Stein. Vote for Hillary. Vote for Ralph Nader. Gary Johnson. Whatever.
 

Smyth

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Or people who do not support Trump have a conscience and will not vote for an immoral man.

No, RATs are [Edited]. They're perfectly willing to vote for immoral men. Older RATs voted for Ronald Reagan, the first divorced and remarried president. They voted for George W. Bush, even after he lied the US into an incredibly disastrous war. And, now they're defacto voting for Hillary. There's no principle in sacrificing the country to someone who has the desire and opportunity to appoint the Fifth Activist to the Supreme Court.

If RATs aren't [Edited], then they [Edited]. They don't care about the damage Bush and the Iraq war did to Christians in American and Iran, nor do they care about the damage Hillary will do to Christians.

Those who do support Trump either have poor principles or are just voting out of fear.

Are you joking? Most of what I read from RATs is about their fear of what president Trump will do. "Extinction-level event", "Constitutional crises", etc. But, Trump is better on every issue, especially the most important one (the Supreme Court).

This is the reason we have corrupt politicians today. People are willing to compromise their principles to gain other things. Sad.

RATs are not principled, they're just [Edited] who have immoral men pull their strings and pull them against Trump. Some RATs will vote for Hillary. Some will vote for the Liberal tyrants running in the Libertarian party. But, they'll all help Hillary win. Any Christian voting his conscience, without regard for practical consequences, will vote for the Constitution Party. The RATs won't be voting for the CP.
 
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carpro

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Uh not true.

Then you will have to be all knowing and able to see into their hearts and minds, because otherwise you have no idea what sins they have committed. But one thing is sure, they have sinned.

And I have been taught that all but one sin is forgivable. So God can forgive sinners like Trump and me and you, but you can't?

Are you placing yourself above God now?
 
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