Christian Democrats???

[OldRegular]

This isn't a game. As I've said before, if folks feel that they have got to vote for the anti-Christ who is currently in office, do so. If you feel like you've got to vote for the anti-Christ who is currently running against the anti-Christ who is in office, do so.

But I'm gonna call it like I see it. And all I see is a bunch of Christians who are attempting to do what they think is right in their own eyes in order to heal the land, when God says that HE will heal the land.

You are right it isn't a game, it is the future of this country. You have been making Pharisaical platitudes castigating everyone on this thread about obeying God's Commandments, saying they should refrain from making the best choice for the country.

You have the opportunity to present the Commandments of God that demand Christians refrain from voting. If you can't then admit you are wrong! Your self righteous attitude and remarks are getting tiresome to say the least.

Perhaps that is why He says if His people will HUMBLE themselves. Any time folks seem to think that they are doing God a favor and fixing things under some work of their own hand, they tend to lose sight of OBEDIENCE in lieu of the "doing what they feel needs to be done" to stop the bleeding.

And you know God's Greatest Commandment. Showing support for a man who worships a false god does not speak to“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. Matthew 22:37

Voting for Mitt Romney has absolutely nothing to do with ones love for God! Nothing should affect the love of the Saints for God. If it will affect your love for God then by all means don't vote!

I'll leave the enlightening to God. Cause it's CLEAR that Repubs are making the same excuses to support this man as a candidate in spite of his ungodliness that they like to point the finger at the Dems for doing in support of their candidate of choice.

Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Yes! You make Pharisaical and hypocritical statements preaching to one and all and then say piously:

I'll leave the enlightening to God.

I would remind you what the Apostle tells us:

Romans 13:1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Paul continued but I will leave that to you.

 

[blackbird]

Zaac....I couldn't agree more! The very BOTTOM line for us as Born Again Christians is that we will stand before our Lord and the Judgment Seat of Christ and give a personal accounting for the choices we made here AFTER the day of our salvation. How and who we voted for will be just one of the things we all answer for. With the current choices we are offered, I'm beginning to believe pretty strongly that I (personally) will be unable to participate in this world's political system this time. I voted for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party in the last election and was glad to have a Bible believer to choose from....but this time...it is "pick your favorite anti-Christ". I don't even pray for God to bless the USA anymore....I pray for God's WILL concerning this country (and this world) to be done (we need to remember that His will MAY be to bring this country under judgment to advance his "plan"). God is in control no matter what we do or how things seem. That's just my opinion about things...I'll stand by it but anyone who wants to disagree is certainly welcome to and I'll still love ya anyway!

Bro.Greg

Let me see if I understand your reasoning

You're gonna stand before the Lord Jesus Christ at His BEMA seat and when He asks you about the 2012 election------you're gonna say (more or less along the lines)----"Lord! I did NOTHING!!"

You better come up with a better script than "I did NOTHING!!"

:type::type:

 

[Zaac]

You are right it isn't a game, it is the future of this country. You have been making Pharisaical platitudes castigating everyone on this thread about obeying God's Commandments, saying they should refrain from making the best choice for the country.

You know my feelings aren't hurt that you make the same justifications for endorsing an anti-Christ candidate as do the people you like to point the finger at.

And you say best choice as though Obedience to God is a lesser choice than you thinking you're gonna elect someone who can "save" the country.:laugh:

You have the opportunity to present the Commandments of God that demand Christians refrain from voting. If you can't then admit you are wrong! Your self righteous attitude and remarks are getting tiresome to say the least

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And you have the opportunity to read instead of making baseless dispersions because you haven't seen anything where I have said refrain from voting. And if you can't, then just HUSH because your tireless endorsement for this anti-Christ candidate as someone who is in the best interest of the country echoes the same disobedience espoused by ancient Israel.

God doesn't need our votes to save the country. He'd much rather have our obedience to His Greatest Commandment.

But you go on and set about electing an anti-Christ as the best choice for the country and then wonder why everything is as it was with the previous anti-Christ candidate and getting worse.

Voting for Mitt Romney has absolutely nothing to do with ones love for God! Nothing should affect the love of the Saints for God. If it will affect your love for God then by all means don't vote!

Then in that regard, Repubs need to stop acting like Democrat Christians who vote for the candidate who is pro-gay and pro-baby murder are crazy and less than Christian.

Yes! You make Pharisaical and hypocritical statements preaching to one and all and then say piously:

Now you're upset because of what God's word says? You sure are going to bat for your anti-Christ candidate of choice.

I would remind you what the Apostle tells us:

Romans 13:1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Paul continued but I will leave that to you.

And I would remind you what God's word says We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:4-6

So support an anti-Christ candidate and then pretend that it's a display of love for God. The world will be watching the hypocrisy.

 

[Zaac]

Let me see if I understand your reasoning

You're gonna stand before the Lord Jesus Christ at His BEMA seat and when He asks you about the 2012 election------you're gonna say (more or less along the lines)----"Lord! I did NOTHING!!"

You better come up with a better script than "I did NOTHING!!"

:type::type:

Doing nothing as opposed to endorsing a candidate who worships a god other than the One Who sits on the Bema Seat?

The one who does nothing or who votes for someone other than the two anti-Christ candidates will still be left with a witness for Christ that can withstand the barbs that will come from atheists and agnostics and those who worship false gods.

Becomes kinda difficult to speak against their worship of false gods while supporting a candidate who worships one.

And I'm sure that some don't think they will take notice of evangelicals backing the false god worshiper. But some also thought they wouldn't take notice of how the Church has made so little of God's covenant marriage.

 

[OldRegular]

And I would remind you what God's word says We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:4-6

So support an anti-Christ candidate and then pretend that it's a display of love for God. The world will be watching the hypocrisy.

Zaac: You are close to questioning my salvation and the salvation of all those who disagree with your self righteous rhetoric. Personally I could care less if you question my salvation, I might even feel flattered.

You keep ranting about God's commandments related to voting for Romney or Obama yet you have not produced anything.

I would also remind you that the United States is not Israel of the Old Testament. This is not God's chosen country. And the world could care less how we vote except perhaps Israel!

 

[Zaac]

Zaac: You are close to questioning my salvation and the salvation of all those who disagree with your self righteous rhetoric.

Old Regular, give it a rest already. I've told you plenty in the past that you don't get to frame the conversation to make it look like I said something I did not. That seems to be your MO.

If I felt the need to question your salvation, I'd flat out do it and deal with the ensuing consequences. So please try another approach.:thumbs:

If anyone seems to be on a self-righteous kick it's you and all those who think your votes for an anti-Christ is gonna save the country when God says HE will heal the land.

Don't get upset with me just because I point out the same hypocrisy in Republican Christians that they want to point out in Democrat Christians.

Personally I could care less if you question my salvation, I might even feel flattered.

Personally again, you can save this little MO for folks who don't know what you're trying to do.

You keep ranting about God's commandments related to voting for Romney or Obama yet you have not produced anything.

Yet you keep ranting about my rant while ignoring the Scripture given.

I would also remind you that the United States is not Israel of the Old Testament. This is not God's chosen country. And the world could care less how we vote except perhaps Israel!

Right, and I would also remind you that the world apparently doesn't care that Christians get drunk, divorce, steal, cuss, flick them the finger in traffic with their fish symbols in tow, or tell them their candidate is a baby murderer.

It's a blind Christian who thinks the world isn't paying attention to what Christians do. But most hypocrites don't think anyone sees their hypocrisy until folks are talking about it in the news.

 

[Zaac]

Christian hypocrisy exposed as many support Romney

Pat Robertson's stance on America's government has been crystal clear for decades. He wants Christian theocracy. He believes that only a Christian president should be in the White House. Only... he supports Mitt Romney, and believes that his Mormonism won't get in the way. (LINK)

Curiously, other notable Christian Conservative leaders are jumping on the Mitt-wagon. Gary Bauer and Penny Nance almost immediately announced their support after the last "genuinely" Christian candidate, Rick Santorum, dropped out of the race. The National Organization for Marriage is also thrilled to support him after he signed a pledge to continue to defend "traditional Christian" marriage. (LINK)

As the reality of a Mormon Republican candidate sets it, Christian leaders are begrudgingly throwing in their hats, and twisting their theology in startling ways to do so. In Pat Robertson's case, the method is remarkably simple: declare Romney to be a Christian. (LINK)

This is rather startling, since Mormonism has been widely regarded as a dangerous cult by mainstream Christian leaders. At least, until Romney's ascension to political power. Some leaders are holding out for "True Christianity." Says Bill Keller, host of the Florida-based Live Prayer TV, "Romney is an unashamed and proud member of the Mormon cult founded by a murdering polygamist pedophile named Joseph Smith nearly 200 years ago. The teachings of the Mormon cult are doctrinally and theologically in complete opposition to the Absolute Truth of God's Word. There is no common ground. If Mormonism is true, then the Christian faith is a complete lie. There has never been any question from the moment Smith's cult began that it was a work of Satan and those who follow their false teachings will die and spend eternity in hell." (LINK)

The Christian Broadcasting Network agrees: Mormons are some of the most exemplary human beings, especially in regard to their behavior patterns and their adherence to the fundamental values of our society. But their religious beliefs are, to put is simply, wrong. (LINK)

And herein lies the great hypocrisy. In case you didn't know, CBN is one of the most powerful Christian media outlets in the world, broadcasting as far as as Asia, spreading the One True Word of God. It was founded in 1961. By Pat Robertson. (LINK) The 700 Club, hosted by Robertson, is the flagship program for CBN. (LINK)

Certainly Pat Robertson is not the only Christian acting hypocritically here. President Obama has openly declared himself a Christian on many occasions. (LINK) (LINK) During his campaign for the presidency, he visited churches in the Carolinas and Atlanta, praising Christian leaders and pledging to address America's "moral deficit." Mitt Romney is clearly a Mormon. Mormonism is clearly not Christianity. And yet... Christian leaders all over the country are pledging support for the non-Christian candidate.

The truth is evident. Christian leaders do not care about religion. They care about a political agenda. They will support anyone they believe will further their attempts to pass pet legislation and continue to show them political favoritism. They are willing to depose a professing Christian from the White House and replace him with a heretic. By virtually any definition of mainstream Christianity, Mitt Romney is going to hell when he dies. He will be tortured by Jesus for eternity for rejecting the true Plan of Salvation. If Christians' actions were consistent with their beliefs, they ought to be as reluctant to vote for a Mormon as an atheist. Both are going to spend the same eternity in the same hell. And yet, Christians are going to vote for Romney, according to most polls.

Ironically, this display of hypocrisy demonstrates the fundamental truth underlying the Reason Rally and the "Secular Movement" as a whole. At the end of the day, religion doesn't matter. Actions matter. Laws matter. And in the end, voters choose candidates based on the issues, not personal religious beliefs. This could not be more clear, with so many "Good Christians" jumping off the Christian ship in favor of a cultist. Better to completely remove religion from politics and from laws. Better to let Christians practice Christianity, and Mormons practice Mormonism, and better to govern based on the real, tangible issues which demand solutions regardless of our personal beliefs.

Christian Hypocrisy Exposed

 

[Zaac]

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Mormons aren’t Christians. But I’ll vote for Mitt Romney.
Posted on April 21, 2012
Romney was not on my list of desirable Republican candidates, but I’ll still vote for him. Why? Because the lesser of two evils is less evil. And the current President puts forth truly evil and destructive policies.

It is interesting to see how the media and the fake Christians were quick to defend attacks on Romney’s faith when they were trying to help him win the Republican nomination but are subtly and not-so-subtly attacking his faith now. Hypocrites.

Mormons aren’t Christians, but I have a lot more in common with them politically than I do with Leftist (read: fake) denominations like Obama’s apostate UCC. Mormons are pro-life and pro-family. Romney will spend far less than Obama.

And remember, we haven’t seen the worst of Obama. If he wins again he’ll be even more unrestrained than when he pushed through the un-Constitutional Obamacare, arbitrarily decided not to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, took over General Motors to give $$ to the unions, and so much more.

Most importantly, the next President will get to appoint a couple of justices to the Supreme Court, which will swing the court to the good or the very bad for decades.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Mormons aren’t Christians. But I’ll vote for Mitt Romney

Yep, if Christian evangelicals don't have a problem with a candidate worshiping a false god, they need to remain forever quiet about pro-baby murdering candidates.

 

[carpro]

If you don't want to vote for either one, don't.

But...Neither is the anti-Christ.

That's just over the top hyperbole.

 

[Zaac]

If you don't want to vote for either one, don't.

I won't.

But...Neither is the anti-Christ.

I didn't say that either was THE AntiChrist. I said they are both anti-Christs. There's a difference.

 

[OldRegular]

Yep, if Christian evangelicals don't have a problem with a candidate worshiping a false god, they need to remain forever quiet about pro-baby murdering candidates.

Careful you don't break your arms patting yourself on the back!

 

[blackbird]

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Mormons aren’t Christians. But I’ll vote for Mitt Romney

Yep, if Christian evangelicals don't have a problem with a candidate worshiping a false god, they need to remain forever quiet about pro-baby murdering candidates.

What do you think Christians ought to do??? Just sorta idle around---lazy around until we finally get someone like Franklin Graham or some sorta Mike Huckabee Christian to run----then get all excited because "God's Maaaaaaaaaaan" is runnin'!!??????????

 

[Zaac]

Careful you don't break your arms patting yourself on the back!

And careful you don't break your legs trying to get into the booth to vote for an anti-Christ candidate while telling others how wrong they are for voting for the other anti-Christ candidate.

 

[OldRegular]

What do you think Christians ought to do??? Just sorta idle around---lazy around until we finally get someone like Franklin Graham or some sorta Mike Huckabee Christian to run----then get all excited because "God's Maaaaaaaaaaan" is runnin'!!??????????

We had one, Jimmy Carter, a total failure. Those people who thought, or think, that God is going to solve this country's problems because a "Christian" is in the White House are delusional! Look what shape the ""Christian""? world was in when we had the "Divine right of Kings"!

 

[Zaac]

What do you think Christians ought to do??? Just sorta idle around---lazy around until we finally get someone like Franklin Graham or some sorta Mike Huckabee Christian to run----then get all excited because "God's Maaaaaaaaaaan" is runnin'!!??????????

Christians ought to do what God says to do: OBEY

Nobody said that the candidate has to be perfect. But as I've said repeatedly, Christians have taken issue for years about candidates who are pro-abortion or pro-gay. Are those issues more important than being pro-Jesus?

One would get the distinct impression that they are considering all the railing and in the words of Old Regular, "patting on the back" that Christians have given themselves for being against the pro-abortion, pro-same-sex marriage candidates while backing an anti-Jesus candidate.

we should be consistent or just hush. Because as the one writer put it, Christians are exposing that like the non-Christians , they have a political agenda that has everything to do with themselves and their place in this world and nothing to do with bringing folks into God's Kingdom.

 

[Zaac]

We had one, Jimmy Carter, a total failure. Those people who thought, or think, that God is going to solve this country's problems because a "Christian" is in the White House are delusional!

Now who said this?

Scripture, again says 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chr. 7:14

But instead of turning from our wicked ways, we're embracing them by embracing a man who is an anti-Christ.

Look what shape the ""Christian""? world was in when we had the "Divine right of Kings"!

Again, this is moot as no one said that electing a Christian would heal the land. But electing a Christian as opposed to someone who worships a false god is a good place for Christians who desire to be right with God to start.

Unfortunately, when you're faced with what we are this time, Christians think it's okay to disobey the Greatest Commandment in order to stop the bleeding.

It is not. The land won't be healed for the same reason it wasn't when a Carter took office: God's UNHUMBLE, un turning from their wicked ways people.

 

[Revmitchell]

Christians ought to do what God says to do: OBEY

Nobody said that the candidate has to be perfect. But as I've said repeatedly, Christians have taken issue for years about candidates who are pro-abortion or pro-gay. Are those issues more important than being pro-Jesus?

sigh....Not sure why this needs to be explained but I will be graceful here.

There is no doubt that failure to believe in Jesus is a greater sin than abortion or homosexuality. But Romney is not going to lead the nation into the LDS. The consequences of abortion is the issue not that it is a sin. The consequences of homosexuality is the issue not just that it is a sin.

Since there will be no religious consequences due to a Romney Presidency then there is no comparison to be made between the LDS and the other two issues.

Now you are going to most likely ignore these facts and continue on your false tirade. But all along the way we will continue to laugh at your ridiculous and baseless argument. Good luck with that.:thumbs:

 

[Zaac]

sigh....Not sure why this needs to be explained but I will be graceful here.

There is no doubt that failure to believe in Jesus is a greater sin than abortion or homosexuality. But Romney is not going to lead the nation into the LDS. The consequences of abortion is the issue not that it is a sin. The consequences of homosexuality is the issue not just that it is a sin.

Since there will be no religious consequences due to a Romney Presidency then there is no comparison to be made between the LDS and the other two issues.

And I find it VERY difficult to believe that any Christian believes this. If this is what Christians believe, why have they said for years that Mormonism is a cult?

And to say that having a Mormon as the leader of the free world will bring about no religious consequences is akin to saying that having an atheist as the leader of the free world will bring about no religious consequences.

I just don't on any level believe that you REALLY believe that statement.

Now you are going to most likely ignore these facts

What facts? Where have you shown factual evidence that something will not take place in the FUTURE as a consequence of something else that could possibly take place in the future?:laugh:

and continue on your false tirade. But all along the way we will continue to laugh at your ridiculous and baseless argument. Good luck with that.:thumbs:

If you want baseless, look at what you just said. You're presenting as fact something that hasn't happened. Where's your factual evidence that there will be no consequences?

Perhaps its THAT type of statement that prompted God to say that if His people would HUMBLE themselves and turn from their wicked ways.

 

[Revmitchell]

And I find it VERY difficult to believe that any Christian believes this. If this is what Christians believe, why have they said for years that Mormonism is a cult?

And to say that having a Mormon as the leader of the free world will bring about no religious consequences is akin to saying that having an atheist as the leader of the free world will bring about no religious consequences.

I just don't on any level believe that you REALLY believe that statement.



What facts? Where have you shown factual evidence that something will not take place in the FUTURE as a consequence of something else that could possibly take place in the future?:laugh:



If you want baseless, look at what you just said. You're presenting as fact something that hasn't happened. Where's your factual evidence that there will be no consequences?

Perhaps its THAT type of statement that prompted God to say that if His people would HUMBLE themselves and turn from their wicked ways.

And there we have it. Just as I said. Nice!:thumbs: By the way I like your stops sign, saved it my my computer. Thanks

 

[Zaac]

And there we have it. Just as I said. Nice!:thumbs: By the way I like your stops sign, saved it my my computer. Thanks

That's right. There we have it. You make out like you've got factual evidence about the consequences of something that hasn't happened and then flippantly dismiss that little fact by highlighting that you said I would ignore facts you couldn't possibly have yet.

Good grief man. You may need to take a break.:laugh:

And you're welcome on the stop sign.