*Christian* Hard Rock Experiment

No, I haven't read the interviews yet, I will. I'm basing what I'm saying on their website and their music. Kind of an "actions speak louder than words" idea.
You're right. I'm a raging white supremacist who thinks cross-contamination of races is a sin. Sure explains a lot, huh?
For anyone who takes that last comment seriously, it's NOT. Jews, blacks, Asians, all part of my immediate family, my children are bi-racial, and go take a closer look at my pic.
Gina

 

ok, let me rephrase. I know what God expects of me and how I raise my kids. For us, I am convicted that this song is wrong for us, as are similar ones. I feel personally convicted about that. I do not know they're other songs, I've not looked anything up on the group. That song IMO would be wrong for my family to listen to. On the other hand, POD would be wrong for anyone. I feel biblically convicted about that.
Gina

 

Jonathon: Sorry, didn't mean to insult you. I'm just totally at a loss for your judgements of POD, I was hoping you would explain a little more specifically. Have you really listened to their music? I mean, sat down and listened hard, with the lyric sheet if you can't understand all the lyrics.

Gina: No, I've heard and seen enough. Nobody should have to sit down with a lyric sheet and study it to find the Christianity in it. There's plenty of non-Christian groups whose lyrics are harmless or even pretty decent, but the manner of presentation makes it wrong.

Jonathon: You mention "actions speak louder then words". WHAT ACTIONS?? Their website has absolutely nothing ungodly or offensive that I've found, however if you could find a specific page and point it to me, I'd be more then happy to look at it.

Gina: What actions? Profiting from playing with Satanic groups, calling themselves Christians and basing their music on what feels good instead of what is good, go read the whole site.
I did get a good laugh out of the one interview linked above where the guy said the job of the band was to spread the love of God (isn't that sweet), then talked about how disgusted he was with people saying they were doing God's work but then they turn around and make money off of it...isn't that exactly what HE'S doing?

Jonathon: If your Biblically convicted on this, does that mean that you've sat down with POD's lyrics, interviews, ect. and compared it to the Bible? Sorry about the 20 questions, as I said earlier I'm just totally at a loss.

Gina: The bible says to not be a part of the world. Can you honestly look, hear, see who this group is with, and say they're not a part of it?

Jonathon: I think it's ironic that we're so gung ho about sending missionaries around the world to preach the Gospel(which I think is a GREAT thing), and then turn around and crucify missionaries in our own back yard preaching God's love to the most Godless population in America.

Gina: Missionaries? LOL. They SAY they're struggling to walk and talk like Jesus, is that what you mean? Obviously they're having quite a hard time of it! Yeah, representatives of Jesus, Jesus himself, would think Ozzie and Korn were just like, so kewl, and ROCK! Let's all approve of them, play their music, spread the love of Jesus, and be just like them, only we'll say we believe in God and let people know God loves them right after doing so. That's GOTTA be a WONDERFUL way to missionize!

Jonathon: Do we really think that the secular world is so stupid and blind to not see us stabbing our own? I'm sorry, but we're in a spiritual battle for souls, and I'm shocked and saddened that someone would so condemn brothers while at the same time refusing to look at information that is so easily accesible.

Gina: I'm not stabbing my own. I'm angry at morons who claim the same God and say they're doing the garbage they're doing in His name. It makes all of Christianity look shallow.

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Oh boo hoo Ransom. In other words, you can't!
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Mike: No, actually, he's right.

Gina: Bzzt, wrong answer.

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As for the rest who will cry out with the oh so predictable "Pharisee" accusation when I say how I came to my opinion about them
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Mike: Calm down, Gina. Nobody's called you anything but, in all fairness, you admit that you haven't read their interviews and you haven't said what they've said on their website (other than the one sentence that you misquoted) that bothers you so.

I fully support your right to your opinions. I just wish you would base them on something a little more substantial.

Gina: The words implied it, and it's obvious where it was headed. I can't copy the whole website, go read through it yourself and see what I saw. It's the whole site.
And I did just read the interviews. Forgive me for not doing it immediately, I did it when I had more time.

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and quote scriptures that don't apply except in the context you want them to,
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Mike: Actually, I brought up several verses of scripture that do apply.

Gina: Which ones, and exactly how do they apply?

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Jesus didn't go hang out and share the stage with the prostitutes and tax collectors and unsaved,
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Mike: Actually, I just quoted you several verses that say He did "hang out" with them. I'm not sure what stage you think they were supposed to have shared, though.

Gina: Ok, wrong phrasing, you didn't get the meaning. He went to them, he ate with them, he didn't become a part of them and think they were just really kewl. He called them sinners and he called them to repentance.

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he went to PREACH to them and tell them the truth and have them repent of their ways.
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Mike: How do you know that they don't have a ministry in that area, like the afforementioned Christafari?

Gina: Good for them if they do. So far they've only mentioned being there to spread the love of God. (wonder how many fans would stay if they told them hell was real) This music is their ministry according to them. Sorry, I don't see it.

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Their ways were evil. When people who are supposed Christians share the stage and profits with satanic, perverted groups like Korn there is no way on earth you can tell me they give a flying flip about pleasing the same God I serve.
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Mike: Sorry you feel that way. Boy am I glad God didn't ask your opinion.

Gina: He did. He do me to try all things and see if they're of Him. Here's a little scenario. POD and KORN are on stage. Jesus comes on the scene. I have a much easier time seeing him getting sick to his stomach than picking up a guitar and joining in. What do you think the reaction would be?

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When their idea of a good song is if it makes you feel good,
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Mike: Actually, that's not what that quote said and I think you know that.

Gina: That's what it said on the site and that idea was re-emphasized in one of the interviews. Have you read the site and the interviews? If you have you'll see it.

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and apparently satanic music makes them feel good,
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Mike: Satanic? In what way?

Gina: Go do some research on the bands they've played with.

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do you really think what they put out is going to be Christian songs?
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Mike: They're not a Christian band, they're Christians in a band. Big difference.

Gina: You're right. VERY big difference. Go back and think about what you typed and tell me what you might find wrong with that sentence.

As far as looking, talking, and acting like the world, read everything I've written so far and continue looking at the site. If you don't get it you don't get it, but why do I get the feeling you might just be playing dumb? You have eyes, ears, and a sense of what Godliness bring out in a person, right? You honestly believe that what they put out is a result of Godliness?

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Originally posted by Gina:
guess what? There's not much more evidence needed to prove they ARE. They can mouth the word Christian until they're blue in the face.
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Mike: Boy, Gina, I sure hope nobody ever judges you as harshly or as unfairly by the same flimsy criteria that you judge them.

Gina: I hope they do. If I'm giving off false impressions of what Jesus is like with my life and actions CALL ME ON IT, judge me, so I can fix it.

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I'm NOT God, I don't know their hearts, but guess what?
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Mike: And yet you judge them, anyway?

What else do you think it is when you call them "pseudo-Christians" than judging their hearts?

Gina: Yes, I judge them anyway. Why shouldn't I? Is it politically incorrect to say wrong it wrong? Well yeah, it is, but that's the world's correctness.

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On the other hand, POD would be wrong for anyone.
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Mike: Other than their appearance, the interviews you haven't read, the music you haven't heard and their personal lives which you haven't seen, what do you base this on?

Gina: Ok, now I've read the interviews. Who says I didn't read the lyrics or listen to anything by them? No, I don't know theiir personal lives, I don't know the personal lives of the abortionists either, but I know they're wrong. No, I'm not comparing them to murderers, I'm making a point.

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Originally posted by Gina:
On the other hand, POD would be wrong for anyone.
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Other than their appearance, the interviews you haven't read, the music you haven't heard and their personal lives which you haven't seen, what do you base this on?

 

Ok, since a number appear to dislike how my method of judging whether someone seems to be of God or not (ie by looks, actions, etc.), tell me how you do it.
Is everything great and wonderful and most likely following in the footsteps of Jesus as long as there's not a specific "thou shalt not" verse on the action in the bible?
Gina

 

Ransom, you accused me of being wrong. Burden of proof is on you.

As for the rest of you, if you don't get the principal behind why this stuff is wrong then there's not much more I can say, is there? Your call, your choice, I'll rest in the knowledge that *if* I'm in error it was most definitely on the side of right.

Gina

 

Slandering God's workers...hmmm. I don't think so. One isn't going to have to jump through hoops to find the witness of Christ in a person doing His work.
What's acceptable and decent for a Christian as defined by Christians today is DISGUSTING. This shouldn't even have to be a discussion, it's easy enough to see it for what it is.
Why should I take my kids or myself to a church that seeks to fit in with the world by playing and or condoning rock music and groups like this? Do you really think it's nice and pleasant to have little kids in church dancing to this stuff? What's next? Nevermind, I know the answer.
BTW, if it's good enough to have in your home it's good enough to have in church. Do you really want this stuff there? Are you really comfortable giving it to your kids?
Gina