Headcoveredlady
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To Karen,
I really do not know why the Lord showed this to me first. Possibly to cause me to pray and to see how I would handle it. You see I asked my husband his permission, I came to him first after the Lord.
I wanted to share some quotes from Hulshizer's book, "The Truth of Headship and it's Symbolic Practices." BTW, this excellent book can be ordered for free by writing to: Spread the Word 2721 Oberlin Drive York, PA 17404
"The primary purpose of Paul's teaching
in this passage is to correct the saints'
misunderstanding that God's grace sets
aside God's government. In God's grace
there is neither male nor female(Gal 3:28)
But, in God's government there is clearly
a distinction between the roles of the man
and the woman."
Another quote from the same book is:
"What is happening in the church today
under the name of grace and progress,
is a repeat of the garden of Eden!
It is also a repeat of the error that
exisited in the disorderly church in
Corinth! It may be an indication of the
Lord's soon return."
My pastor preaches the expository way and he did a complete line by line study of 1 Corinthians. All the while he told the church that the church today is very similar to the one at Corinth. BTW, he did teach on 1 Corinthians 11 as he went through this.
Another quote I found in Hulshizers book:
"When the truth of headship is
practiced, both in principle and
symbolically, a wonderful message
is broadcast to the heavenly hosts-
God's government, set aside in the
garden, has been reestablished under
the Headship of Christ!"
Oh, I absolultely love that above quote! It really sums it up for me. The whole purpose of wearing the covering is stated right there.
Another quote from Hulshizer:
"Think too for a moment what the presence
of a "physical copy" of the Bible meant
on a teachers desk in our public schools.
It was a "visual reminder" of the
authority of God, and of His ways and
principles. When we took the visual
reminder away it was only a matter of
time before the truth of God
and His authority were
forgotten in our nation."
I also find it interesting that in the Vines Dictionary there are two words for covering this one is found in verse five: one is "katakalupto: "to cover up, veiled."
The second one is found in verse 15:"peribolaion, someting thrown around down the head."
Two DIFFERENT Greek words for the same English word, covering. HMMM...
Many of the modern commentaries have been changed to reflect the woman's refusal to wear the covering but even in a modern commentary such as Ungers Bible Handbook we find the following:
"Paul presents the women's headdress as
a symbol of her subordination to the
man,as the man in turn is subordinated
to Christ, 4-6. The apostle uses the
OT to show that man is made in the
image and for the glory of God
(Gen 1:27), and when praying or
or preaching he should not have his
head covered, in token of God's order
among the sexes, 7. Man was created
first. The woman was made from man,
8. Hence, man's headship. Therefore,
the Christian woman ought to have the
badge of her husband's authority on
her head 'because of the angels,'
10.i.e., because of the divine order
that prevails among the elect unfallen
angels(cf.Ps 103:20), who are looking
on the human scene."
I find it highly interesting that even Unger's handbook contains this information.
And I bought for my husband's birthday recently; this book: "Sketches of Jewish Social Life," by Alfred Edersheim. This book was written in the late 1800's. In this book are some fascinating facts about women of the period during Jesus' time on earth.
"Ordinarily, it was most strictly
enjoined upon women to have their
hair and head carefully covered.
This may throw some light on the
difficult passage, 1 Cor. 11:1-10.
We must bear in mind that the
apostle there argues with Jews,
that on their ground, convincing
them by a reference to their own
views, customs, and legends of the
propriety of the practice hich he
enjoins. From that point of view
the propriety of a woman having her
head "covered" could not be called
in question. The opposite would to
a Jew, have indicated immondesty.
Indeed, it was the custom in the
case of a woman accused of adultery
to have her hair "shorn or shaven"
There is more in Edersheims book but I will leave it at that. From what I remember Haleys Bible handbook teaches the literal covering and I am sure Ryrie's Bible study commentary does too, I have that one and can quote his comments if anyone is interested. This one comes with the Bible, the commentary is written in paragraphs at the bottom. Ryrie is a modern man and he dared to state that the covering is for today.
Here are some other sites that teaches what leading Christian men of days gone by taught on the subject:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/joeflorence/hc.htm
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-12/npnf1-12-31.htm
And this book may be read online:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/7560/LetHerBeVeiled.html
Maggie,
I am interested in hearing more about the protection aspect of covering from you as well. I know that God has protected and blessed me many many times in spite of myself. Before I was saved there were times I should have died. And even after becoming His child through His perfect blood there were so many times He has blessed and protected me even though I was disobedient.
But, I wonder what if Moses did not teach the people to put the blood on the doorposts what would have happened to their children. And what if he taught them but they disobeyed? The angels could not have seen in to the hearts of the Israelites to know which were which so they needed a sign above the doors. How would they have known who they were?
I recognize that the purpose of Moses covering the doors with blood was to point to Jesus' blood covering sinners, but to me I see how angels operate somewhat.
Also, while I was originally stuyding this topic I found interesting Scriptures in the OT relating to covering: Numbers 5, the adulterous woman is told to uncover her hair, Isaiah 47:3, the veil off and thigh showing btw, is nakedness, Ezekial 13:21, Veils torn off as judgement, Gen 24:65, Veil worn by Rebekah, Isaiah 3:17-24, veils again removed as judgement, and finally the most interesting one I think is found in Isaiah 6:2, the seraphims when they come before the Lord they cover their faces and feet.
These helped me because Scripture best interprets Scripture.
HCL
[ December 01, 2002, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: Headcoveredlady ]
I really do not know why the Lord showed this to me first. Possibly to cause me to pray and to see how I would handle it. You see I asked my husband his permission, I came to him first after the Lord.
I wanted to share some quotes from Hulshizer's book, "The Truth of Headship and it's Symbolic Practices." BTW, this excellent book can be ordered for free by writing to: Spread the Word 2721 Oberlin Drive York, PA 17404
"The primary purpose of Paul's teaching
in this passage is to correct the saints'
misunderstanding that God's grace sets
aside God's government. In God's grace
there is neither male nor female(Gal 3:28)
But, in God's government there is clearly
a distinction between the roles of the man
and the woman."
Another quote from the same book is:
"What is happening in the church today
under the name of grace and progress,
is a repeat of the garden of Eden!
It is also a repeat of the error that
exisited in the disorderly church in
Corinth! It may be an indication of the
Lord's soon return."
My pastor preaches the expository way and he did a complete line by line study of 1 Corinthians. All the while he told the church that the church today is very similar to the one at Corinth. BTW, he did teach on 1 Corinthians 11 as he went through this.
Another quote I found in Hulshizers book:
"When the truth of headship is
practiced, both in principle and
symbolically, a wonderful message
is broadcast to the heavenly hosts-
God's government, set aside in the
garden, has been reestablished under
the Headship of Christ!"
Oh, I absolultely love that above quote! It really sums it up for me. The whole purpose of wearing the covering is stated right there.
Another quote from Hulshizer:
"Think too for a moment what the presence
of a "physical copy" of the Bible meant
on a teachers desk in our public schools.
It was a "visual reminder" of the
authority of God, and of His ways and
principles. When we took the visual
reminder away it was only a matter of
time before the truth of God
and His authority were
forgotten in our nation."
I also find it interesting that in the Vines Dictionary there are two words for covering this one is found in verse five: one is "katakalupto: "to cover up, veiled."
The second one is found in verse 15:"peribolaion, someting thrown around down the head."
Two DIFFERENT Greek words for the same English word, covering. HMMM...
Many of the modern commentaries have been changed to reflect the woman's refusal to wear the covering but even in a modern commentary such as Ungers Bible Handbook we find the following:
"Paul presents the women's headdress as
a symbol of her subordination to the
man,as the man in turn is subordinated
to Christ, 4-6. The apostle uses the
OT to show that man is made in the
image and for the glory of God
(Gen 1:27), and when praying or
or preaching he should not have his
head covered, in token of God's order
among the sexes, 7. Man was created
first. The woman was made from man,
8. Hence, man's headship. Therefore,
the Christian woman ought to have the
badge of her husband's authority on
her head 'because of the angels,'
10.i.e., because of the divine order
that prevails among the elect unfallen
angels(cf.Ps 103:20), who are looking
on the human scene."
I find it highly interesting that even Unger's handbook contains this information.
And I bought for my husband's birthday recently; this book: "Sketches of Jewish Social Life," by Alfred Edersheim. This book was written in the late 1800's. In this book are some fascinating facts about women of the period during Jesus' time on earth.
"Ordinarily, it was most strictly
enjoined upon women to have their
hair and head carefully covered.
This may throw some light on the
difficult passage, 1 Cor. 11:1-10.
We must bear in mind that the
apostle there argues with Jews,
that on their ground, convincing
them by a reference to their own
views, customs, and legends of the
propriety of the practice hich he
enjoins. From that point of view
the propriety of a woman having her
head "covered" could not be called
in question. The opposite would to
a Jew, have indicated immondesty.
Indeed, it was the custom in the
case of a woman accused of adultery
to have her hair "shorn or shaven"
There is more in Edersheims book but I will leave it at that. From what I remember Haleys Bible handbook teaches the literal covering and I am sure Ryrie's Bible study commentary does too, I have that one and can quote his comments if anyone is interested. This one comes with the Bible, the commentary is written in paragraphs at the bottom. Ryrie is a modern man and he dared to state that the covering is for today.
Here are some other sites that teaches what leading Christian men of days gone by taught on the subject:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/joeflorence/hc.htm
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-12/npnf1-12-31.htm
And this book may be read online:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/7560/LetHerBeVeiled.html
Maggie,
I am interested in hearing more about the protection aspect of covering from you as well. I know that God has protected and blessed me many many times in spite of myself. Before I was saved there were times I should have died. And even after becoming His child through His perfect blood there were so many times He has blessed and protected me even though I was disobedient.
But, I wonder what if Moses did not teach the people to put the blood on the doorposts what would have happened to their children. And what if he taught them but they disobeyed? The angels could not have seen in to the hearts of the Israelites to know which were which so they needed a sign above the doors. How would they have known who they were?
I recognize that the purpose of Moses covering the doors with blood was to point to Jesus' blood covering sinners, but to me I see how angels operate somewhat.
Also, while I was originally stuyding this topic I found interesting Scriptures in the OT relating to covering: Numbers 5, the adulterous woman is told to uncover her hair, Isaiah 47:3, the veil off and thigh showing btw, is nakedness, Ezekial 13:21, Veils torn off as judgement, Gen 24:65, Veil worn by Rebekah, Isaiah 3:17-24, veils again removed as judgement, and finally the most interesting one I think is found in Isaiah 6:2, the seraphims when they come before the Lord they cover their faces and feet.
These helped me because Scripture best interprets Scripture.
HCL
[ December 01, 2002, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: Headcoveredlady ]