True there is. Although we aren't in Christ because of it. We are in Christ because His grace is sufficient. Thank God we wear the righteousness of Christ.
MB
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I have no doubt many are just play acting. So concerned with there show they ignore the real truth.
MB
As a guest missionary noted this past Sunday, only three in this universe know for sure whether I'm saved, God, Satan, and me. Long ago a pastor noted that the Bible indicated that we were to be "fruit inspectors", but that we were not to try being "botanists" (aggressively questioning another's salvation.) Sometimes the type of fruit (or its absence) can cause us to seriously doubt whether that person is saved, but we cannot truly know.
Shock is a good tool for evangelism. Just ask them if they know where they are going when they die. A real Christian will answer right away. but someone who isn't sure will hesitate and get them to start them thinking about it. Then explain that all they need to do to be sure is trust in Christ.
MB
Yes, we are to be fruit inspectors, but the fruit we are to inspect is our own, not that of our siblings in Christ. When will the tares be separated from the wheat? Is that our job?
We are to protect the gospel, and expose false teaching. We are to protect the flock. But we are to admonish our siblings in love.
We are to protect the gospel, and expose false teaching. We are to protect the flock. But we are to admonish our siblings in love.
Christians have a fish on the back of their car. Non-Christians have a fish with legs on the back of their car.
ROFL....
THERE IT IS!!! Christians sending folks to hell....
...oh slackin soul winner, have you sent more to heaven or more to hell? What's the score?
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atpollard
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This made a great point, but needed to be explained a little more.
1) Their testimony
- Do they even claim to be a Christian?
- Why do they think they are a Christian?
- (I am a Christian because I live in a Christian country and I am not a Buddhist or Hindu or Muslim, is an answer that suggests some Jesus talk is needed.)
- What do they believe about the important things?
- Who is Jesus? Who is the Holy Spirit?
- What is the gospel?
- (Jesus is a great prophet and we should all try to live like him so we can please God = wrong answer.)
- When you look at their life, do you see more of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control) or more of the Flesh (immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing).
- More 'flesh' than 'spirit' in anyone's life is never a good sign.
- Looking at their life (or my own life), I like to track the trajectory of my life. Not "are things going well", but more like "is the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT growing over time and are the Acts of the Flesh shrinking over time.
- In my church we like to say: "God loves me just like I am, but he loves me too much to leave me like this."
So there are 4 real good tests to practice with on yourself and help others take stock of their 'spiritual health'.
People who are addicts can get saved. Their battle will have wins and losses. We should never judge them in theirChristians have a fish on the back of their car. Non-Christians have a fish with legs on the back of their car.
We do not know who is and who is not saved, if that is what you are asking. One person may be undergoing the discipline of a Father (God disciplines Christians, not non-Christians) for a lifestyle we may assume to indicate a life without Christ.
We are not called to know who is and is not a Christian. We are called to live holy lives, which includes judging people by their fruit. Regardless as to the person's salvation we recognize what is of the Light and what is of the darkness, and we make determinations based on the fruit.
darkest hour(s) as unsaved.
I agree... I heard one who is now a preacher give his testimony... He said as long as we trust in ourselves, and him and his wife were addicts for over 35 years... He said they both would do anything to feed that addiction... He said when they both reached the bottom of the barrel, after going thru hell on earth, in their darkest hour, they found God... When we reach the end of our rope and give up... God shows up, because that is the nature of God... He helps when all helps flee and when we really surrender to him... Then he alone can shine in our darkest hour... He gets ALL THE GLORY!... Even as a Christian I have learned thru many years of trying to serve the Lord... Just to let go and Let God!... No one is going to get to heaven singing I did it my way!... Brother Glen
The question I prefer goes something like this: "If this building collapses and kills us both, and you're facing God as He asks you why He should let you into His presence, what would be your answer?" If it's anything other than what scripture says the answer is, then there's a real opportunity to present the Gospel.
I've always wondered about the supposed evangelistic use of God asking "Why should I let you in...?" when biblically there is no suggestion that such question would ever be asked.
Far better simply to ask why a person "knows" he is saved and not going to hell, and then look for a solid, biblically based answer.
Far better simply to ask why a person "knows" he is saved and not going to hell, and then look for a solid, biblically based answer.
37818
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Even better, I think, is to ask that person what would be given as an explanation to someone as to how to know for sure of going to Heaven?
It's been my experience that many just walk away and give me a dirty look if i take to long to get to the point. I usually tell them all they have to do is trust in Christ and they will know for sure..
MB