Christianity Today: Trump Should Be Removed

[Calminian]

I think this is the perfect example of someone complaining about a speck which harboring a log. I've never heard such blatant false witness from a professing Christian. Very hard to listen to this.

 

[Reformed]

A question. Is it possible for a Christian to have a principled opposition to a President (regardless of party affiliation), although honoring the office (Romans 13:7)? In other words, choosing not to vote for and/or opposing his policies, yet respecting the fact that all leaders (good and bad) are ordained by God (Daniel 2:21; some as a blessing and some as judgment)?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Calminian]

A question. Is it possible for a Christian to have a principled opposition to a President (regardless of party affiliation), although honoring the office (Romans 13:7)? In other words, choosing not to vote for and/or opposing his policies, yet respecting the fact that all leaders (good and bad) are ordained by God (Daniel 2:21; some as a blessing and some as judgment)?

Of course. We should oppose bad governing authorities, and support the good ones. Think of Paul's respect for the Roman system, and his appeals to proper authorities. Also look at his rebuke of the jailers who did not follow Roman law.

 

[Reformed1689]

He claims to be a Christian. He is therefore held to the standards of all Christians.


Which Innocents? His record on assisting immigrants and refugee's is questionable at best.
I suspect you are referring to the unborn. I appreciate his support.


Do you mean personally or by virtue of his executive decisions?
I would have to see what he has personally done to help those who are suffering and the unborn. My guess is I am at minimum equal to him.
Since God has not placed me in the same executive position, there is no way I could compare him to me.


Perhaps. Please list them.


Where do I ever claim to be better. If I am in a leadership position and claim to be a Christian, I am expected to honor my King.
What does Galatians 6 tell us about sin in the community?

Galatians 6:1-10 Brothers,if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. For each will have to bear his own load. Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

What does Jesus tell us about addressing sin?

Matthew 18:15-17 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Again CHURCH matters vs STATE matters.

 

[Particular]

Again CHURCH matters vs STATE matters.

You are making a false separation.

 

[Reformed]

Of course. We should oppose bad governing authorities, and support the good ones. Think of Paul's respect for the Roman system, and his appeals to proper authorities. Also look at his rebuke of the jailers who did not follow Roman law.

Does that apply to Christians who did not vote for then-candidate Trump or who take a principled stand against him now? I am not asking this to be contentious. I just want to know if we should respect the right of a fellow Christian to disagree with us over politics. I am not referring to a Christian openly embracing ungodly things like abortion or same-sex marriage. I am thinking more about matters of policy and/or character.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You are making a false separation.

CT and its editors are an embarrassment to Christians nationally and worldwide, confusing church and state, as well as confusing the politics of the situation, thus doing great disservice to the cause of Christ. Shameful.

They have no authority or basis to call for the removal of the president. That they have the gall to so criticize the president's character given their own is hypocritical, as the president does not claim to represent Christians, whereas CT and its editors do so claim. Outrageous.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

A question. Is it possible for a Christian to have a principled opposition to a President (regardless of party affiliation), although honoring the office (Romans 13:7)? In other words, choosing not to vote for and/or opposing his policies, yet respecting the fact that all leaders (good and bad) are ordained by God (Daniel 2:21; some as a blessing and some as judgment)?

Those may be good questions, but the issue here is what CT and its editors are doing. They are singling out one officeholder as someone to castigate, while turning a blind eye to the myriad faults and evils of officeholders who oppose him, and they are doing so in the name of Christ as those who speak for Christians. There is so much hypocrisy wrapped up in their attack, along with deep political deception, that they condemn themselves by what they are doing.

 

[Reformed]

Those may be good questions, but the issue here is what CT and its editors are doing. They are singling out one officeholder as someone to castigate, while turning a blind eye to the myriad faults and evils of officeholders who oppose him, and they are doing so in the name of Christ as those who speak for Christians. There is so much hypocrisy wrapped up in their attack, along with deep political deception, that they condemn themselves by what they are doing.

Well, Christianity Today has been a pure rag for some time now. If it ever was on the right road it has long ago departed from it.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

CT and its editors are an embarrassment to Christians nationally and worldwide, confusing church and state, as well as confusing the politics of the situation, thus doing great disservice to the cause of Christ. Shameful.

Another point CT raised illegitimately is the issue of foreign missions. Trump is not making decisions as a Christian but as the President of the United States. The leaders of foreign nations often disagree with each other and this can sometimes affect the efforts of missionaries. But, where missionaries are at least allowed, this can be minimized, and there are ways around this sort of thing.

First, there is no biblical rule saying a missionary must be American. Also, no missionary should go in the name of his earthly country but in the name of Christ. Then, missionaries should be preaching the Gospel, not politics. American missionaries especially are exempt from having to agree with national policies. And of course missionaries are not called to involve themselves in the politics of other nations.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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