Christians and slavery

[Maverick]

The South was right. Don't get me started over the hypocritical Nawth's thing about slavery. As long as there are lies and our monuments are removed and our heroes slandered we won't get over the loss of the war since the Nawth can't get over winning it.

Some win though. Took four years to beat us when they outnumbered us 4 to 1 and were better equipped all thanks to Jeff Davis when he was Secretary of War thus it took a Reb to beat a Reb.

It was about state's rights not slavery. Remember the ships were anchored in Boston not Charleston or Savannah. Mass started out with Indians and then went to Blacks.

When it was found cheaper to have the sweat shops and child labor than it was to have slaves the Nawth unloaded theirs and finally got a conscience.

Abe the tyrant only wrote the EP for folks he had no control over thinking there would be a mass uprising to help the war end quickly but it did not happen. He also used the N word and was on board with the folks who wanted to ship them all back (Why was Liberia created) and once addressed a group of Blacks telling them they would never be equal to Whites.

Too many lies and scars. It will never be ovah until Jesus returns. Do I condone slavery? No, but neither do I condone history revision to whitewash the rotting corpses in Nawthern closets.

 

[Maverick]

Here is a story from one who was there. They are making villians out of the Confederate soldier and removing or vandalizing our memorials and banning our flags and songs. Makes it very hard to forget the tyranny that started it all in the first place.

Southerners and Conservative Christians are being treated like the Jews were in Germany. There is very little difference in how the Holocaust got started and what may well happen here in America. Indeed the revisionism and removal of memorials smacks of Stalinism.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=84525&ran=187608

Indeed less than 12% of Southroners had slaves and 7% of the slaves were owned by free Black men. There were 600,000 free Blacks in the 1860 South with 60,000 of them in VA who by the way has a state song written by a Black man of the period but is now considered terrible.

Many Blacks fought for the South though many would deny it. However, a 1861 Harper's Weekly cover showing Blacks as sentries fully armed confused the Yanks of that time because they didn't think the Blacks would fight for the South or that the Confederacy would arm them.

Most of what we learned in High School and hear in the current media are just lies and distortions.

God Save The South and anyone else that will listen!

 

[hillclimber]

I read somewhere that the slave trade had a profound effect on getting the gospel to blacks, both here and in Africa.

 

[rsr]

Maverick said:

"There were 600,000 free Blacks in the 1860 South ..."

Irrelevant, I think, but I'd like to know the source. According to the 1860 census, the southern free black population was 258,346.

"However, a 1861 Harper's Weekly cover showing Blacks as sentries fully armed confused the Yanks of that time because they didn't think the Blacks would fight for the South or that the Confederacy would arm them."

Do you have the date for that? All the covers are online and I'd like to see it.

 

[Filmproducer]

Originally posted by hillclimber:
I read somewhere that the slave trade had a profound effect on getting the gospel to blacks, both here and in Africa.

Please reveal your source.

 

[Bunyon]

Just as slavery was the route to freedom and power for Joseph, so it has been for blacks too.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by Filmproducer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hillclimber:
I read somewhere that the slave trade had a profound effect on getting the gospel to blacks, both here and in Africa.

Please reveal your source. </font>[/QUOTE]Not sure where I read it, but even without the source, logic bears witness to it. A huge percentage of black slaves came to know the Lord, and that wouldn't have happened in their homeland during their lifetimes.

 

[billwald]

Why would a Christian want to own another person???

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by Filmproducer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hillclimber:
I read somewhere that the slave trade had a profound effect on getting the gospel to blacks, both here and in Africa.

Please reveal your source. </font>[/QUOTE]Liberia, for one.

 

[The Carpinator]

Originally posted by Bunyon:
Why don't we just get over it. It is a hundred and 50yrs in the past now. Why do we act as if it is yesterday and all white people were slave owners?

I'm glad we ended slavery. The only thing I have a problem with is the fact we did'nt put them back on the boats and send them back home. Seems like a racist comment but look at what we have now.I had no part in slavery but yet I hear about it everyday, pay the taxes that support many of them through government programs and see the crime on t.v. everyday.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

To be honest, had I lived at the time, I probably would have supported slavery.

The truth is, most of us here would have, although we would like to deny it today.

We would not have the mindset nor the same sense of right and wrong had we been living at the time.

I agree with the comment that slavery should have been stopped from the beginning. The British should never had allowed it in the early colonial years.

But, the past is the past. We can only deal with the present and hope for a good future.

Let us hope that what we do today, and consider a normal and acceptable part of society, is not looked upon by future generations as equivalent to the way we look upon slavery today.

I find no fault with my few ancestors who did own slaves, but I would not accept such a view today.

All that said, I can find no biblical support for slavery being "immoral".

 

[just-want-peace]

All that said, I can find no biblical support for slavery being "immoral".

This is what bothers those full of vanity; their ideas are "superior" to God's, since God doesn't outright condemn slavery!

Same problem with those that want alcohol to be "sinful" SO BAD. It's not in the Scripture like they think it ought to be.

 

[Filmproducer]

Originally posted by The Carpinator:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bunyon:
Why don't we just get over it. It is a hundred and 50yrs in the past now. Why do we act as if it is yesterday and all white people were slave owners?

I'm glad we ended slavery. The only thing I have a problem with is the fact we did'nt put them back on the boats and send them back home. Seems like a racist comment but look at what we have now.I had no part in slavery but yet I hear about it everyday, pay the taxes that support many of them through government programs and see the crime on t.v. everyday. </font>[/QUOTE]You should probably stop getting all your information about black Americans from the TV, and do a little research. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears, but the ignorance of the black community that I see on these boards is very disheartening.

 

[Bunyon]

While I understand Carpinator's frustration, I think the put em on the boats attitude is unrealistic and counter productive. We have got to live together and build a society together. We must put the past behind us and honestly walk into the future TOGETHER with Christ hopefully!

 

[Bunyon]

"To be honest, had I lived at the time, I probably would have supported slavery."---------------------------------------------------------

I had three Great, Great etc grand fathers who fought for the confederacy. Like 90 percent of those who fought for the confederacy, they did not own slaves. You can not convince me that they were fighting for the few rich slave owners and their plantations. They were fighting for something else.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

When exactly did I say they were fighting for slavery?

This thread was not about fighting for slavery, but about the Christian attitude toward slavery then and now.

Like most of those who fought for the Confederacy, and many who fought for the north as well, your ancestors probably were in favor of slavery, even if that isn't the reason they fought in the war.

You don't have to agree with the ideas of your country to fight in defense of it, but chances are that you would be in agreement with a good deal of it if you're fighting for it.

 

[Bunyon]

I have no reason to assume that my ancestor's had in intrest in slavery. It would have seemed normal to them I am sure, but did they support it. That is quite and assumption. It is like that line in the north and south when the Idelisitic northern soldier tells the confederate he is fighting for slavery, and the confederates says, "I ant't fighten for no Darkies, I'm fighten for my rights". I think slavery was a non issue for alot of the nation until late in the war, but I am sure the average dirt poor southerner could care less one way or the other about an intitution that was only a part of the aristocracy.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by billwald:
Why would a Christian want to own another person???

I suppose I would today if the situation were much like Schindler's List.

 

[billwald]

Doesn't matter who was right 100 years ago.

I predict that in 3 generations in the USofA the vast majority will be brownish with very few obvious white or black people. Why? Because with the breakdown of the old cultural barriers the young people will mate on the basis of education, intelligence, and ambition. The middle class will shrink and become the professional and managerial class. We will have 10% rich class, 20% middle class, and the rest, grunt/peon class as it was before WW2.

The rich people are smarter than they were 100 years ago. They look and dress like the rest of us. There is sufficient production to supply every person with food, shelter, clothing, booze and the sports channel (bread and circuses).

Even now the poor people have all the same sorts of consumer goods the rich people have but of a cheaper quality and have to stand in line to get them.

 

[The Galatian]

Actually, there were relatively few slave owners.
The majority of people in the South were not slave owners, and no doubt many of them considered the theft of another man's labor to be a grave sin.