'Christians don't sin'

[Brother Bob]

No.no.You misunderstood. I am amening that you said this teaching is a doctrine of devils. I don't teach this doctrine, but I amen you calling this teaching a doctrine of devils.

:thumbs:

When did you change. You say you can die in the act of adultery and go to Heaven.

 

[steaver]

Or just not want to be known eating with the Gentiles, maybe for peace sake, you were not there.

BBob,

Paul was, And he said Peter was to be blamed, so according to God's word Peter did not have pure motives.

Peter did not love the Gentiles as he loved himself. Another "big one".

 

[Brother Bob]

Paul was, And he said Peter was to be blamed, so according to God's word Peter did not have pure motives.

Peter did not love the Gentiles as he loved himself. Another "big one".

I think there was more behind it than that. I think Paul was trying to be accepted at Jerusalem, so he took Peter on, when he himself had done the same before in Jerusalem.

BBob,

 

[steaver]

When did you change. You say you can die in the act of adultery and go to Heaven.

There is a difference between teaching your nieghbour he can sin all he wants and go to heaven verses a Christian can fall into temptation and transgress the law. One is a doctrine of devils and one is a doctrine of God.

 

[Brother Bob]

There is a difference between teaching your nieghbour he can sin all he wants and go to heaven verses a Christian can fall into temptation and transgress the law. One is a doctrine of devils and one is a doctrine of God.

You believe that it does not make any differences how many sins the Christian commits don't you?

BBob,

 

[steaver]

I think there was more behind it than that. I think Paul was trying to be accepted at Jerusalem, so he took Peter on, when he himself had done the same before in Jerusalem.

BBob,

If this were true then Paul is in violation of the second greatest commandment to love thy nieghbour as thyself and is also being hypocritical.

 

[Brother Bob]

If this were true then Paul is in violation of the second greatest commandment to love thy nieghbour as thyself and is also being hypocritical.

Go for it. Paul is not here to defend himself and neither is Peter.

, I neither compel nor permit him to imitate Paul’s example, and go on with the sincere observance of Jewish rites, any more than you, who think that Paul dissembled when he practised these rites, would compel or permit such an one to follow the apostle in that dissimulation.

So you believe you can be on top of your neighbors wife and die in the act and still go to heaven?

BBob,

 

[steaver]

You believe that it does not make any differences how many sins the Christian commits don't you?

BBob,

Yes, I do believe all sins no matter how many are covered by the blood of Christ for the believer.

No, I do not teach others to sin all they want and they can still go to heaven. I teach them to repent of their sins for the love of Jesus Christ. The Spirit will convict and the Father will chasen.

 

[steaver]

So you believe you can be on top of your neighbors wife and die in the act and still go to heaven?

BBob,

I don't know how many times you want me to answer this.

Christians can and do commit transgressions of the law. It happens, it is sad, it is tragic, but God deals with them as children and these sins cause some very terrible consequences in this life. This is what you should be teaching your flock brother. Telling them they cannot sin is not solving the sin problem for them. They need to understand the difference between chasening and penalty. Penalty is paid for. Praise Him!

I must go to bed :sleep: Love you brother! God Bless you! I do raying: for you to be blessed and may God use you for many more years to come.

:godisgood:

 

[Brother Bob]

I don't know how many times you want me to answer this.

Christians can and do commit transgressions of the law. It happens, it is sad, it is tragic, but God deals with them as children and these sins cause some very terrible consequences in this life. This is what you should be teaching your flock brother. Telling them they cannot sin is not solving the sin problem for them. They need to understand the difference between chasening and penalty. Penalty is paid for. Praise Him!

I must go to bed :sleep: Love you brother! God Bless you! I do raying: for you to be blessed and may God use you for many more years to come.

:godisgood:

If he dies in the very act, doesn't leave any time for chastisement, now does it. But you still believe he is going to Heaven. Some belief.

1Jo 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

If he dies in the very act, doesn't leave any time for chastisement, now does it. But you still believe he is going to Heaven. Some belief.

That is the Biblical belief. It is called the atonement. His blood covers ALL our sins, not just some of them.

1Jo 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

BBob,

If your interpretation is true then you have no hope of going to heaven if you have a heart attack, and don't correct all the misrepresented statements of different individuals that you have made on this board. Bearing false witness against your neighbor is just as bad as being caught in the very act of adultery. Go and sin no more, Jesus said.

 

[steaver]

1Jo 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

BBob,

If your interpretation of this scripture is correct, you are calling yourself a liar for you have transgressed the law many times just in postings on this board.

Do some research on the word "keepeth". The Greek "tereo" is from the Greek word "theoreo" as is understood as to perservere in watching or guarding something. It does not denote in any way a sinless perfection. In fact John begins with.....

1Jo 2:1¶My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

A Christian guards the commandments of God with his heart(Not perfectly). A false brethern does not perservere in the commandments nor cares to guard them in their heart.

Perfection is not the doctrine. John even makes this clear throughout his letter, even from the very first sentence.

 

[Brother Bob]

That is the Biblical belief. It is called the atonement. His blood covers ALL our sins, not just some of them.


If your interpretation is true then you have no hope of going to heaven if you have a heart attack, and don't correct all the misrepresented statements of different individuals that you have made on this board. Bearing false witness against your neighbor is just as bad as being caught in the very act of adultery. Go and sin no more, Jesus said.

You believe that a man can die in the act of adultery and go to Heaven, you believe pedophilers can go to heaven, you believe that liars can go to heaven. You believe that man can commit the worst sins known unto mankind and go to Heaven.

Yet you believe because I believe that God's children are not among those who say they hath God, but keep not His Commandments, are liars, as Jesus said. Because I believe what Jesus said, that if you die in your sins, you cannot go where Jesus is. Because I believe that Christians live a Christlike life, that I am doomed for Hell. It is 5 am and I am on my way to a church association several hours away. I will be back this evening if its the lord's will. I may tell them, if it comes to mind, the world is full of men like you, teaching men, if they have Christ they can commit any sin known to man, then again, I may be ashame for them to know of people like you.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

If your interpretation of this scripture is correct, you are calling yourself a liar for you have transgressed the law many times just in postings on this board.

Do some research on the word "keepeth". The Greek "tereo" is from the Greek word "theoreo" as is understood as to perservere in watching or guarding something. It does not denote in any way a sinless perfection. In fact John begins with.....

1Jo 2:1¶My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

A Christian guards the commandments of God with his heart(Not perfectly). A false brethern does not perservere in the commandments nor cares to guard them in their heart.

Perfection is not the doctrine. John even makes this clear throughout his letter, even from the very first sentence.

I thought your sins were never to be remembered against you again. Why do you need an advocate for sin? You are double tongued.

You sir, have lost any ability to telll me anything, after admitting that you believe a man can die in the act of adultery and go to heaven. If you are correct, the devil himself will be there also.

I pray that God never allows you to get near my children or grandchildren.

BBob,

 

[trustitl]

Bob,
You have said that a Christian can sin. Can you give me an example of a sin that a Christian can commit? And then can you tell me if he can die in the act of doing it?

For example, can a Christian have an outburst of anger? Or,
Can a Christian call his brother a fool(or some other name, like "you idiot")?
Can a Christian ever have a lustful thought?
Can a Christian, even the most immature one, ever do a good deed so others will think highly of him?
Can a Christian ever worry about being able to pay his bills?
Can a Christian even be fearful?
Can a Christian ever be deceptive for selfish reasons?
Can a Christian ever be jealous?

Or possibly, tell me a sin you have committed since you were saved. You don't need to be detailed, just let me understand what type of sins are acceptable or are able to be forgiven.

 

[trustitl]

Bob,

Is it a sin to smoke? Have a drink containing alcohol?

 

[Goldie]

If your interpretation of this scripture is correct, you are calling yourself a liar for you have transgressed the law many times just in postings on this board.

Do some research on the word "keepeth". The Greek "tereo" is from the Greek word "theoreo" as is understood as to perservere in watching or guarding something. It does not denote in any way a sinless perfection. In fact John begins with.....

:thumbs: I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.

 

[ajg1959]

Bob,

Isnt basing my eternity on "what I do" suggesting that we are only saved by works? If we can get to heaven by being "good enough" then what was the cross about? And why would I need Grace?

And how many times can a saved person lose his salvation after sinning, and then get "resaved"?

If I see a bus about to hit me and let out a four letter word just before impact, am I going to hell?

I used to struggle with letting sin and temptation discourage me from serving God, and then I met a pastor that taught me that all of us are just dirty rotten sinners, and that the only difference between me and the lost is that I am forgiven.

Growing up I used to hear folks say things like "Is he saved, or is he a sinner?". I believe that I am both. As long as I am in this flesh I will always be a sinner, but by the Grace of God, and the Blood of Jesus, I am also saved unto eternity with Christ. So the question of "is he saved or a sinner?" is a false doctrine, and implies that a person is one or the other, when in fact we, who are saved by Grace are indeed both.

I am grateful for Grace because, unlike you, I could never be sinless enough to get to heaven without it.

AJ

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

"You believe that a man can die in the act of adultery and go to Heaven, "

GE:
No we don't. I have seen two persons who plead with you to recant of this sin, and you did not repent or confess. Now say you die now, will you be saved?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And I grew up torturing myself, all the while telling myself: From this moment on I shall not do this sin or that again! And the very same moment I found myself committing ten other sins. And so I went along, making my life of salvation, an agonizing self-torture.

Even as an adult, I drank in the false teachings of righteousness by works (it will never be admitted it is false teaching!) The dominees drew a square and halved it with a line from left bottom corner to right top corner. The left halve was I and my merit; the right hand halve was Jesus and his merit. Then as one advances in Christian devotion, one proceeds upwards through the square, and 'my side' gets bigger and bigger, and the side fo Christ's merit, smaller and smaller. So my dependence on the merit decreases as I advanced in spiritual victory after victory. Or so I was told. What abomination!.

God taught me in His Word and through life itself, I am a point so small it has no capacity. And God is the all about me, who even made me that infinitessimal point the very centre of His own interest through Jesus Christ. And the Church = the very same little dot; and this whole earth and the works of God's hands, this small little somewhere in His love and care.