Christians Evangelizing Catholics

[7-Kids]

Originally posted by John3v36:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by John3v36:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DHK:
There was heresy in the church at Corinth that Paul had to correct, even to the very denial of the Resurrection, but it was a church nevertheless.
The only definition of ekklesia you will ever find is "congregation" or "assembly" The only assembly of all beleivers that there will ever be will be in Heaven. Otherwise it is impossible to have an unassembled assembly. It is unscriptural to even conceive of a "body of Christ" being universal.
You speak of denominations. Show me a denomination in the Bible. There are none. It is the denomination that is unscriptural. Sola Scriptura is a Biblical doctrine which every local church must act upon, and if they did we would not have all these cults following people like Mary Eddy Baker and her visions and dreams. We have a responsibility to ourselves and to God, to study to show ourselves approved unto God, workmen that need not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the Word of truth. That is what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11, before they accepted the message of Paul. They didn't blindly accept any man's message without studying it and comparing it to the Scriptures first. People today are so gullible that they will follow the first guru that comes along. Case in point--the New Age Movement, The Third Wave Movement, etc. People want experiences, not Biblical doctrine.

Christ never taught that the believers the world over would be unified in all doctrinal matters. That is a misconception based on Scripture taken out of context. Paul said plainly to the Corinthians that there would be heresies among you, and then he said it is a good thing. Why? That the false teachers would be weeded out.

The cry of the New Evangelical today is "Give me unity, not doctrine." They want unity at the expense of doctrine. And thus you have the ecumenical movement that must dispense with essential doctrines in order to join hands together with various faiths. That is the ungodly union that the antichrist will someday demand of all religions.
DHK

Which local church was Christ speaking of when he said MY church shall never fail?
where is that church today? </font>[/QUOTE]Still waiting </font>[/QUOTE]I don't think he has an Answer for you

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by DHK:
There is no such thing as salvation being a process. Even Billy Graham can point to a time when he knelt down and accepted Christ as his Saviour. One is not gradually saved. One is not gradually married.
DHK

I have already said that Billy Graham's wife cannot say that there was a precise moment when she became a Christian; rather, she would describe it as a process - is she damned or saved according to your criteria?

The trouble is is that you are seeking to impose a set of Modern presuppositions, in particular seeking to extract certainties on a forensically legal basis, on a collection of pre-Modern documents - the Bible - and this won't work. To take your marriage analogy, it is true that Modern marriage takes an instant to come into existence (although it takes more than a wedding ceremony to make a marriage ); but this Modern outlook similarly breaks down when applied to pre-Modern marriage, which passed typically through a number of stages before 'coming into being'. To take two examples, did Jewish marriage in Jesus' time 'come into being' when couples were pledged to be married or when the ceremony was performed by a rabbi? Did marriage in medieval England occur when a man took a woman into his home or bed and they were thus recognised by the community as married (common-law marriage) or when they were subsequently married in church, usually on the occasion of the christening of their first child?

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[Living4Him]

Christ never taught that the believers the world over would be unified in all doctrinal matters.

Then please explain Eph. 4:1-6
4:1
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

4:2
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

4:3
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[BobRyan]

In Acts 15 you see the argument for a centralized body that resolves doctrinal questions and hands down its decisions to the local churches.

In fact even though Peter, James and Paul are in town - at those local churches - the decision still must go to the Jerusalem council. It is not settled until the ruling body makes a decision.

That is a very strong argument for a structured organization.

(But I fail to see what that has to do with evangelizing Catholics).

The problem for the RCC is as Paul stated it in Acts 20 - that "FROM AMONG YOUR OWN SELVES" the teachers of error would arise.

And in the very structured hierarchical system of the Jews we STILL have the Mark 7 problem of TRADITION that is used to replace the clear statement of God in scripture.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[John3v36]

Originally posted by SixKids:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by John3v36:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by John3v36:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DHK:
There was heresy in the church at Corinth that Paul had to correct, even to the very denial of the Resurrection, but it was a church nevertheless.
The only definition of ekklesia you will ever find is "congregation" or "assembly" The only assembly of all beleivers that there will ever be will be in Heaven. Otherwise it is impossible to have an unassembled assembly. It is unscriptural to even conceive of a "body of Christ" being universal.
You speak of denominations. Show me a denomination in the Bible. There are none. It is the denomination that is unscriptural. Sola Scriptura is a Biblical doctrine which every local church must act upon, and if they did we would not have all these cults following people like Mary Eddy Baker and her visions and dreams. We have a responsibility to ourselves and to God, to study to show ourselves approved unto God, workmen that need not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the Word of truth. That is what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11, before they accepted the message of Paul. They didn't blindly accept any man's message without studying it and comparing it to the Scriptures first. People today are so gullible that they will follow the first guru that comes along. Case in point--the New Age Movement, The Third Wave Movement, etc. People want experiences, not Biblical doctrine.

Christ never taught that the believers the world over would be unified in all doctrinal matters. That is a misconception based on Scripture taken out of context. Paul said plainly to the Corinthians that there would be heresies among you, and then he said it is a good thing. Why? That the false teachers would be weeded out.

The cry of the New Evangelical today is "Give me unity, not doctrine." They want unity at the expense of doctrine. And thus you have the ecumenical movement that must dispense with essential doctrines in order to join hands together with various faiths. That is the ungodly union that the antichrist will someday demand of all religions.
DHK

Which local church was Christ speaking of when he said MY church shall never fail?
where is that church today? </font>[/QUOTE]Still waiting </font>[/QUOTE]I don't think he has an Answer for you </font>[/QUOTE]You know I think you are right Sixkids