The thread states that they should arm themselves if they are Christians. That means that they ought to and that does not mean that they will necessarily do what they ought to do but they should.
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Christians should be armed
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The thread states that they should arm themselves if they are Christians. That means that they ought to and that does not mean that they will necessarily do what they ought to do but they should.
canadyjd
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Yikes, you are saying if I follow the commands of scripture, I am being illogical and nonsensical.
Obviously, scripture is telling us our protection comes from God. God does not desire for His children to “arm” themselves as the rest of the world does, but to use the word of God as the only weapon we need.
That's crazy. Look at the Scripture quoted at the beginning of the thread. God Himself is a warrior who teaches men to fight. Jesus Himself will defend Israel in battle. A war was fought in Heaven to expell Lucifer.
canadyjd
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Well, what does the passage in Eph mean?
Which one are you talking about exactly?
canadyjd
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Apologies, I thought you would recognize it from what I quoted. Eph 6:10-17.
What you are advocating is directly the opposite, imo, of what Jesus taught us.
The passages you quoted from Psalms were directed to King David. God gave King David insight into battle strategy as King to protect the Kingdom. I don’t see that applying to Christians today.
In fact, we are commanded to live in peace, pray for enemies, take up the Word of God as our sword and so forth.
Peace to you
Ephesians 6:10-17 (KJV) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
This passage deals with standing against the wiles of the devil. It does not deal with self-defense in the physical realm.
We are encircled by enemies and we have the right of self-defense. Russia is on the march with new technologies in atomic weapons and rockets that the USA does not have. Our weapons are half a century old. China also is on the march and we see what they have done to Tibet and others and what they are trying to do to Hong Kong. The word of the Chinese is worthless. They are bent on world domination just as are the 22 Arab nations and other Islamic states who are commanded to execute all non-Muslims in the Quran.
Jesus said to sell your cloak and buy a sword, meaning a dagger, not a Bible.
Here is a case from Florida where a man in self-defense saved the lives of himself, his wife, and his 11 year old son when a man attacked him with an AK-47 in the middle of the night in Miami while they were asleep in their van. He emptied a Glock in the criminal's chest in self-defense. If the heathen know what Jesus asks, why can't the Christian understand?
I'm generally armed, (concealed) as I live right across the river from, work in, & often do business in Huntington, WV, "the heroin capital of the USA", thanx to a liberal mayor & council.
I carry a .45 autoloader, loaded with lethal "Home Defense" rounds, However, as a former cop, I'm well-schooled in both how and when to use it. I believe anyone who carries should be schooled in both those "disciplines", as an untrained scared person with a gun is as dangerous as a criminal.
I carry a .45 autoloader, loaded with lethal "Home Defense" rounds, However, as a former cop, I'm well-schooled in both how and when to use it. I believe anyone who carries should be schooled in both those "disciplines", as an untrained scared person with a gun is as dangerous as a criminal.
canadyjd
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Paul endured horrible physical persecution. He was speaking beyond spiritual attacks. He declared that all who desire to live Godly lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. Never does He advise Christians to “arm” themselves.....quite the opposite.
Most of what you posted concerning the intentions of foreign governments does not apply to individual Christians, unless you are advising Christians in those countries to take up arms in bloody revolution. That idea is clearly rejected by scripture.
The idea of self-defense and protecting your family is common sense. It does not mean all Christians should be armed.
We will disagree on this
Peace to you
If Paul had ever used force to defend himself, the jewish mobs and leaders would have insisted it wasn't self defense, and so he would have been arrested and executed. Besides, the most serious persecution Paul faced was at the hands of the authorities, resisting such results in death.
The issue of Christians being armed isn't about using weapons to facilitate spreading the gospel. It's simply about making society safer. People against an armed citizenry are necessarily for criminal predation upon the innocent.
I was hoping that you would comment on the Florida Man who saved his wife and son from death and himself, too, while they were parked on the street sleeping in the van that they lived in. The Christian is supposed to protect the innocent from murder.
it was a mean world back then, too. "Highwaymen" prowled the trails travelers used thruout the Roman empire, as well as in other 'civilized' lands. No woman dared travel alone, & most wealthy travelers had paid escorts.
However, I don;t believe anyone should carry a firearm if not trained how & when to use it.
However, I don;t believe anyone should carry a firearm if not trained how & when to use it.
canadyjd
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Please show me the scripture verse that says Christians are suppose to use deadly violence to protect the innocent from murder.
Peace to you
The GFG video quotes Psalms 82:4 (KJV) Deliver the poor and needy: rid [them] out of the hand of the wicked.
canadyjd
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So you think “rid them out of the hand of the wicked” means Christians are suppose to use violence to protect the innocent from murder? I am going to disagree.
You have not answered my question. Please try to answer yes or no.
Do you believe Christians are suppose to use violence to protect the innocent (unborn babies) from murder (ab$rtion)
There have been some that have used your kind of logic to justify this kind of violence. I believe such thinking is contrary to Christian teachings. What do you think?
Peace to you
Disagree with what? Did you look at the video? If someone is in the hands of a terrorists or a criminal or a crooked government executing the innocent, yes you should intervene. What did you want to do? Are you going to forebear? Proverbs 24:11 (KJV) If thou forbear to deliver [them that are] drawn unto death, and [those that are] ready to be slain;
On your question about shooting abortionist doctors, that would be murder and murderers should be put to death. Genesis 9:6 (KJV) Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. I think that government should execute any doctor who performs an abortion.
Abortion is murder by government decree. The due process clause was suspended and the unborn child was declared non-human by the US Supreme Court. The political system in America is so corrupt and bloodthirsty that it is correct to say that the government is evil. We saw this before in the Dred Scott case when Scott was declared non-human and property. In fact, a corrupt judiciary is commonplace in the USA.
I don't think that the verse is calling for some Don Quixote to go charging at windmills in a battle that cannot be won. I think that it means when it is in your power to prevail, that you should act. In the case of the Florida Man, the odds were against him because he had the rifle pointing in his face but he was able to reach his pistol in the dark and save his girlfriend and son as well as himself. So he rid them out of the hand of the wicked and he did not forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death and were ready to be slain. The police cleared him and said that the attacker was a wanted criminal. Now the dead criminal will not hurt anyone else ever again nor will he ever again surprise anyone in the dead of the night. Nothing good happens after midnight.
canadyjd
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I disagree with your assertion that Christians are suppose to use deadly force to protect the innocent from murder.
I do not watch videos that are clearly contrary to scripture.
Peace to you
Are you JW? Stay out of Gary, Indiana--it is the official worse city in the USA.Z
canadyjd
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I’m guessing JW means Jehovah Witness. No, I’m not. I’m Southern Baptist by choice and Christian by the grace of God.
I don’t intend to visit Gary, Indiana, but thanks for the warning.
Thanks for the conversation.
Peace to you.
Thanks to you. The word "should" means "ought to" and not that they will. The future looks bleak both domestically and internationally. Big cities like Indianapolis are not safe day or night. Russia & China & the numerous Muslim states want to destroy the USA. The USA is weak militarily and economically.