Christians thrown overboard left to drown by Obama

[Jedi Knight]

I feel like if you had to operate in one of these countries you would see the delicate nature it takes to meet the mission.

Would you say all Islam is a cult?

 

[Use of Time]

Would you say all Islam is a cult?

Well here is the first definition I found.

a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much

a small group of very devoted supporters or fans

I would say no I guess. Islam isn't particularly a small group or following and it looks like the second sentence is more of a description of something like a cult film perhaps?

I have simply found Islam to be a religion that strays far away from what I believe as a Southern Baptist.

Where are we going with this if I may ask?

 

[Jedi Knight]

I would say no I guess.

Thats the point....its a cult....a false religious cult. Big or small does not matter....but my Point is Obama is afraid to call it what it is but so brave to talk smack about the true followers....Christians!

 

[Use of Time]

Thats the point....its a cult....a false religious cult. Big or small does not matter.......now what does scripture say about Islam?

Wait, what are we talking about now? I think you are confusing my reluctance with labeling an entire culture violent terrorists as some sort of endorsement of Islam. That is not the case I assure you. You want to call it a cult, that's fine. You asked me what I thought so I looked at a definition and applied what I knew about the religion.

 

[Jedi Knight]

President isn't labeling the religion they hold dear a bunch of as being a religion of terrorists. Surely you can see how that is counterproductive. Pros and cons OR.

Time,do you not see the double standard this President makes? Does he call out Christians?

 

[Use of Time]

Time,do you not see the double standard this President makes?

I'm afraid I do not.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Wait, what are we talking about now? I think you are confusing my reluctance with labeling an entire culture violent terrorists as some sort of endorsement of Islam.

ok do you say a moderate Islam and a violent Islamist are both Islam? And no I do not think YOU are an endorsement of Islam!

 

[Use of Time]

ok do you say a moderate Islam and a violent Islamist are both Islam? And no I do not think YOU are an endorsement of Islam!

Yes. I think I see where you are going. I'll type this and check back in the morning. My wife just spent the last four hours in the ER with my oldest daughter and I'm waiting for them to get back so I can go to bed.

There is a tendency in this world and a stereotype that the Islamic countries and people of Arabic decent are nothing but a bunch of Jihadists. My experience tells me otherwise. In fact if you think you hate the insurgent cells that have popped up since regime change, you should see the responses you get while on patrol. These people have to live in these war torn countries and their hatred for these cells is more than any American could possibly realize. We were finally able to drive out JAM (Jaish al Mahdi) a Shia insurgent group out of a small town in our battlespace and the town flourished for a good while. When a JAM recruiter tried to show up again he was shot on sight. These people were not about to give their town back.

Going back to what I said earlier, it is important that you realize that our operations are COOPERATIVE with the local nationals that we must intermingle with on a daily basis. I think Obama obviously understands this and is refusing to use inflammatory comments that could serve to hinder our relationships with these countries while we have US forces inside them. This kind of thing is common knowledge to Soldiers as they are trained on the culture to avoid souring our working relationship.

Let me get going. I have to make mac and cheese for a sick 8 year old who just had a pretty crummy birthday.

Thanks for the polite discourse. I'm trying to earn back the daisy label from you. Hopefully I made some headway tonight.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Thanks for the polite discourse. I'm trying to earn back the daisy label from you. Hopefully I made some headway tonight.

I was teasing you!:smilewinkgrin: And yes thank you too!

 

[Use of Time]

I was teasing you!:smilewinkgrin: And yes thank you too!

No worries.

But always remember. Star Trek > Star Wars. :tongue3:

 

[Jedi Knight]

No worries.

But always remember. Star Trek > Star Wars. :tongue3:

The rivalry lives on!

 

[Sapper Woody]

Where are ya Don? Does our generalization principle apply here too?

The president is one person. The statement in question was opining a single person's actions in a hypothetical situation based on that individual's previous actions in similar situations. Your statements are generalizing a whole group of people, based on the actions of a few, which, ironically is what you cry against in the other direction.

 

[Sapper Woody]

No worries.

But always remember. Star Trek > Star Wars. :tongue3:

The real question is, "Is Kirk >\= Picard?"

 

[OldRegular]

Do you suppose a liberal mind may snap under such pressure to think that one through?

Are you implying liberals think?

 

[OldRegular]

Would you also be comfortable with Obama categorizing all Baptists based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

Obama has already characterized all Christians based on the actions of the Crusaders a thousand years or so ago! The Westboro Baptists haven't taken a single life that I have heard about!

 

[matt wade]

Obama has already characterized all Christians based on the actions of the Crusaders a thousand years or so ago! The Westboro Baptists haven't taken a single life that I have heard about!

Please provide the quote/source where he does this (characterizes all Christians).

 

[church mouse guy]

Was not Obama pointing out Christians are the problem from the Crusades to a prayer breakfast? ISIS must thrive off this jackass!

Obama criticizes Christianity at every turn. He never mentions all the martyrs who have died at the hands of Muslims in the Middle East but is always talking about Christian high horses.

Obama is applying for the job of Caliph.

 

[Use of Time]

The real question is, "Is Kirk >\= Picard?"

My problem with Kirk stems from one episode. It's the one where they go to this isolated planet to find some sort of drug they need to cure some rampaging virus on the ship. So Kirk and McCoy find the planet inhabited by an immortal guy and his android wife. Kirk finally gets the guy to agree to provide the drug and then jeopardizes it all by trying to woo the guys mate away from him. I was waiting for McCoy to be like "Uh Jim, we have people dying on the ship right now who really need this medicine, maybe you could curb your libido just this once."

 

[OldRegular]

Please provide the quote/source where he does this (characterizes all Christians).

I am sure you are aware of these remarks but:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...15a240-ad50-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html

Then there is this!

April 17, 2014

In his own words: Barack Obama on Christianity and Islam

By Thomas Lifson

A website called Now The End Begins has compiled 40 comments by Barack Obama on Christianity and Islam. Collectively, they create quite an interesting picture. I admit that there may be instances of the president speaking as favorably of Christianity as he does of Islam, but I am not aware of them. I do remember in the 2008 campaign that he said he had accepted Jesus Christ as his savior, and that was in response to public awareness of his attendance at Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church, Trinity United. What the president left unsaid is the nature of Jesus as understood in Black Liberation Theology. But that is a discussion for another time.

The list has been reprinted here and here. (hat tip: iOwnTheWorld.com). See what you think:

1. “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”

2. “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”

3. “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”

4. “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”

5. “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”

6. “Islam has always been part of America”

7. “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”

8. “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

9. “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”

10. “I made it clear that America is not – and will never be – at war with Islam.”

11. “Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”

12. “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”

13. “In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.”

14. “Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”

15. “Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality”

16. “The Holy Koran tells us, ‘O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.’”

17. “I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”

18. “We’ve seen those results in generations of Muslim immigrants – farmers and factory workers, helping to lay the railroads and build our cities, the Muslim innovators who helped build some of our highest skyscrapers and who helped unlock the secrets of our universe.”

19. “That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

20. “I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.”

Here he is on Christianity:

1. “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”

2. “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

3. “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”

4. “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”

5. “The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.”

6. From Obama’s book, The Audacity of Hope: “I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”

7. Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”

8. “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

9. “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”

10. “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”

11. “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”

12. “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”

13. “Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will–they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths.”

14. On his support for civil unions for gay couples: “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount.”

15. “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

16. “In our household, the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology”

17. “On Easter or Christmas Day, my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.”

18. “We have Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and their own path to grace is one that we have to revere and respect as much as our own”

19. “All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra— (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer. (Applause.)”

20. “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”​

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._on_christianity_and_islam.html#ixzz3Y92eQyVw

 

[Use of Time]

I think you are missing the point. It's obvious that he is simply ignorant of the Christian faith in some respects but the constant theme in all of these is his understanding that we live in a melting pot culture and he is not going to be seen as taking sides. That's it. You are taking his avoidance of siding with and creating policy that only caters to the Christian faith as attacking Christians. That's it.