Christmas Mass in Rome

Amazing, yet how Catholics worship IS of concern to you? C'mon, that doesn't make any sense. </font>[/QUOTE]Charismatics are not normally televised globally as "mainstream" Catholics are in prime time. Perhaps if they were I would have made observations regarding their worship too!

 

Don't backpeddle. This is what you said:

"If they believe that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah, it does not concern me how they worship him, that's between them and the object of their worship."

Catholics believe that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah, but you ARE concerned how we worship Him; you do not leave it to us and the object of our worship. You ARE having a double standard, and you cannot deny that unless you retract what you wrote. </font>[/QUOTE]Clearly you overlooked the words in a couple of my posts that stated that "I observed" those things. I commented on my observations. Do you think that I can change anything associated with the Roman church by making my observations known?

 

Clever, but historical accuracy is not your forte!

 

Yes, thank you, I am improving though the pain associated with the condition has not subsided enough yet for me to be considered as "active". I am able to get up for a couple hours at a time. How kind of you to ask.

 

Where in the Words of God does one find that material things bring honor and Glory to God? When did he tell us to make graven images, or to create expensive artwork, or built grand edifices to bring Him Honor and Glory? DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT GOD IS SPIRIT? What possible good are material things to the living God who is Spirit who at the sound of his voice created all there is? What in the world are you thinking? What school are you going to? I want to warn all my friends so they do not allow their children to go there. Your school don't produce thinkers, it produces memorizers! Memorize the party line, get your diploma!

The Catholic church uses imagery for human purposes ONLY, and NOT for honoring deity. Show me even one scripture where God is impressed with man's things! How about one where God stops to admire the handiwork of man? Show me one where God encourages man to make statues of him, or his Apostles. Tell us where Jesus said to keep him on the cross for 2000 years! The protestant crosses are all empty! The Catholic Crosses are all occupied.

Come on Carson, Think things through! Don't continue to fall for the lies!

 

Greetings,

The Band euipment at the Non-denom baptist style church next door cost more than All the chalices in our local church. Not to mention the Special lighting equipment, spot lights, special effects(aftificial fog,etc) equipment. The Cost to gift an experience to the people in A LOT MORE than catholics are paying for their elements for worship.
Also, We have a large cathedral. It is filled with Art(All around the Beatitudes). All Stone. It was build in the 1870s. With all its Marble and all, it cost $35,000 in its day. Now if we spread that cost over 130 years, and divide by the millions of worshippers, I would say they made a pretty good deal. You see Catholics build for centuries because we expect our faith to be hear for longer than 20 years. If you put up a pole building for a worship space it says two things: That you care less for God than the bank cares for its money(banks build in stone), AND you don't expect your church to last beyond one generation.
People Complain about St. Peters, but remember, that church is 500 years old. That is a pretty good deal over time. In france All the cathedrals are are 700 years old or more.

just some thoughts

peace

 

NO Mioque, I wouldn't call what God said or did concerning that tower to be a matter of worry, but rather disgust! You see, God knew that the tower could only be built to the height that man could breath...about 20 thousand feet. God himself built towers that exceed that by 10 thousand feet, and there is not a human living that can survive very long, a matter of hours at best, at that altitude without artificial life support. So, it should be obvious to you that God could not have been worried about man's ability to reach heaven by building towers. So you'll have to come up with some other reason for God to act in that situation.

 

So for some, how they worship is not a concern of yours, but how Catholics worship IS a concern of yours?

Careful, your bias is showing. </font>[/QUOTE]I am under the impression that the post that introduced "charismatics" was dealing with Catholics. So it seems that your bias against "charismatic Catholics" has blinded you.

My Observation of the Christmas Mass dealt with the obvious opulence on display and the choreography of the program, All intended to convey some message other than the one that I received. What I received was a demonstration of religiosity uncharacteristic of the biblical depictions of events surrounding the birth of Jesus, the Christ! Hense my comments!

 

TP,
Your last post is well thought out and received in the spirit intended. You make excellent points to ponder, and I shall.

As for building less than permanent structures,

It seems that nothing of this earth is permanent!

Additionally, It is the Word of God that lasts forever. There is no scripture to support investment in permanent earth-based things, but instead we are to lay up our treasures in Heaven. Nowhere in Scriptures do we find St. Peter's Basilica. God is fully capable of speaking into existance whatever grand and glorious edifices He desires for our worship of Him.

So, I believe my comments are valid regarding the church that claims it hold a corner on humility! It seems to be mere vanity on display!