You have changed the topic. I don't deny what the REsurrection was "FOR" as I have repeatedly stated. What I deny is that the resurrection justified anyone in and of itself.
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You have changed the topic. I don't deny what the REsurrection was "FOR" as I have repeatedly stated. What I deny is that the resurrection justified anyone in and of itself.
savedbymercy
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The resurrection of Christ affirms that everyone Christ died for was Justified by His Blood before God ! Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You deny this, you deny the witness of the Resurrection, and that is not good !
Apparently you are incapable for reading! I said I did not deny that the resurrection was "FOR" our justification. I said I did not deny that the resurrection was "FOR" the elect.
What I deny is that the resurrection justifies the elect. The problem here is your interpetation of the preposition "for" in this text. You have interpreted to mean "for" in the sense of actual application and thus all the elect were justified at the resurrection of Christ by the resurrection. That is not what this text teaches nor does the rest of Scripture teach that. The resurrection was "FOR" our justification as in the BASIS upon which we are justified by grace through faith "in his blood" or "in Christ" or His redemptive work.
savedbymercy
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No apparently you are:
The resurrection of Christ affirms that everyone Christ died for was Justified by His Blood before God ! Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You deny this, you deny the witness of the Resurrection, and that is not good !
No apparently you are:
The resurrection of Christ affirms that everyone Christ died for was Justified by His Blood before God ! Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You deny this, you deny the witness of the Resurrection, and that is not good !
Before God____
Before God existed?
Before God in his presence?
What does that mean?
for our justification_____
for our justification after we believe?
for our justification before we believe?
for our justification when we believe?
for our justification before the foundation of the world?
We are not the one's that deny it.
The answer to the last question is given in the verse that follows it.
Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God.
--Thus the we are justified when we believe. That is the answer that you fail to believe though the Scripture plainly says it.
savedbymercy
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So what did placing faith in jesus do for you, IF you were already justified?
When did the Lord save you?
Fred's Wife
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Perhaps SBM "woke up" saved?
savedbymercy
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You are teaching works salvation ! You teach that man is Justified by what he does. Thats is a accursed gospel !
You also are guilty of rejecting clear scripture testimony that Christ's Blood alone Justified those He died for Rom 5:9, and His Ressurection from the dead gives evidence of their Justification before God Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Many of those Christ died for, had not yet been born, yet Christ's resurrection is evidence that His Death Justified them, and Christ died for them, and you reject it !
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If it is of grace then how can it be of works? Does not Paul say "if it is of grace then it is no more of works otherwise grace is no more grace" (Rom. 11:6) and faith is "of grace" (Rom. 4:16). Why do you repudiate the Apostle Paul and say faith is a work when Paul says it is of faith that it might be "by grace"????
Rom. 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom. 11:66 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
You are the one guilty of perverting the word of God and calling something a "work" that God's Word places in the category of "by grace."
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
You also are guilty of rejecting clear scripture testimony that Christ's Blood alone Justified those He died for Rom 5:9, and His Ressurection from the dead gives evidence of their Justification before God Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Many of those Christ died for, had not yet been born, yet Christ's resurrection is evidence that His Death Justified them, and Christ died for them, and you reject it ![/QUOTE]
Your guilty of false accusations against the brethren! Just because someone disagrees with YOUR interpretation of a scripture does not mean they reject the scripture!!!! It means they reject YOUR INTERPRETATION of that scripture. You have been completely exposed and refuted over and over again and you cannot respond to the exegetical evidence and so you simply do what every cult does when they are faced with evidence they cannot respond to - they simply parrot their error over and over again and ignore the evidence.
savedbymercy
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That's right. However when one says they are saved or Justified before God because of something they did, which believing is something man does, repenting is something man does, then they are saying they are saved or Justified before God by works, and reject Grace altogether. If it is of Grace, then it is no more works [conditions] unless grace is no more grace! Rom 11:5-6
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
That's right. However when one says they are saved or Justified before God because of something they did, which believing is something man does, repenting is something man does, then they are saying they are saved or Justified before God by works, and reject Grace altogether. If it is of Grace, then it is no more works [conditions] unless grace is no more grace! Rom 11:5-6
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
savedbymercy
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The reprobate are all the non elect, the children of the devil, the seed of the serpent, Like those Jesus said this to Matt 23:
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Vs 32 is an imperative from Christ to them, He did not command them to Repent, because they belonged to the devil Jn 8:44, and Hell was made for them Matt 25:41, they shall not escape it !
The reprobate are all the non elect, the children of the devil, the seed of the serpent, Like those Jesus said this to Matt 23:
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Vs 32 is an imperative from Christ to them, He did not command them to Repent, because they belonged to the devil Jn 8:44, and Hell was made for them Matt 25:41, they shall not escape it !
You are contradicting yourself! The Same Paul says faith is not a work but is "by grace" (Rom. 4:16). You are the one calling it and defining it as a work not God.
Jesus says that saving faith is "GIVEN" by the Father to men - Jn. 6:64-65!
The Bible says that faith is a FRUIT of the Spirit not of the flesh - Gal. 5:21
The Bible says that faith is the work of God (Jn. 6:29) as faith is both AUTHORED and FINISHED by Christ - Heb. 12:2
The Bible says that faith is the obedience of a NEW HEART which God creates in a believing state or do you believe that God creates an UNBELIEVING heart and gives it to his elect?
Your problem is that you cannot distinguish between things that differ. The obedience of faith in regard to the gospel is the obedience of a new heart that is created in a state of faith and thus "by grace are ye saved THROUGH faith and THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES for IT is a gift of God NOT OF WORKS."
Not all men have faith (2 Thes. 3:2) so it must be "given" as the degenerate heart is by nature unbeleiving just as the regenerated heart is by nature believing and thus it is the work of God IN man rather than the work of man.
savedbymercy
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No I am not, but those who say they are saved by Grace without works, when they in the next breath say they are saved by their act of believing, which is a work, then they contradict themselves. Believing is a work. I have proved that time and time again, by defining the biblical word works. It is the greek word ergon which means:
usiness, employment, that which any one is occupied
a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
Believing is something done by the mind of man !
No I am not, but those who say they are saved by Grace without works, when they in the next breath say they are saved by their act of believing, which is a work, then they contradict themselves. Believing is a work. I have proved that time and time again, by defining the biblical word works. It is the greek word ergon which means:
usiness, employment, that which any one is occupied
a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
Believing is something done by the mind of man !
As usual you are incapable to respond to the Biblical evidence I placed before you so you conviently ignore it and simply reassert your unsubstantiated position.
Second, you should know that believing saves no one! It is the object of faith that justifies and you have nothing to do with the correctness or provision of the object. Justifying faith is PASSIVE in that it simply RECEIVES and RESTS upon the promise of the gospel found in the OBJECT of faith. The obedience of faith is simply submission to the truth in receiving and resting upon it as your only hope!
Until you recognize this simple abc truth you will never understand the Biblical doctrine of justification by faith or salvation period.
He still keeps confuse basis of our salvation!
Its the atonement of Christ that saves us, but the means by which God ordained that its get applied to us is by the faith!
No faith placed in Jesus,no salvation!
savedbymercy
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Believing is a work. If one states they got saved or Justified before God because They believed, or placed their Faith in Christ, that is salvation by works !
Believing is a work. If one states they got saved or Justified before God because They believed, or placed their Faith in Christ, that is salvation by works !
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savedbymercy
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Classic work salvation !
Salvation is applied by the Holy Spirit by giving a New Birth. 1 Pet 1:3
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Fred's Wife
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SBM...did God "zap" you one fine day and declare you saved? How do you know that you are one of the "elect" who is sanctified by the blood of Christ?