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Christs died for Satan's sins?
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Did they reject redemption as we humans do? or never offered ?
It makes a difference. one says God created them knowing they would end in hell. The others says it is not God's fault they rejected redemption
37818
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Christ did not die for the angels, so how would anything be offered [answering a silly question]?
i agree , maybe, but show me because it goes against my post in the other thread
37818
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no that verse did not, because something is not mentioned positively does not a statement applies negatively.. Hebrews dies not mention redemption
37818
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". . . through death . . . For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. . . ." Not explicitly that term, and not in the immeldiate context. I am not going to try to get you to understand. [Add to the fact, I fail to undersand your thinking here, to what now seems to be a silly pursuit.]
George Antonios
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I have a Biblical idea to answer the question, but the issue is so holy, and my knowledge so partial, that I will desist.
we are the seed on Abraham ,we are lower than the un fallen angels
Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
I am anxious to hear and possibly detest also.
I maintain Christ died for ALL Sin
It is an interesting (and philosophical) discussion. I am not sure that we can truly know because what is revealed of God to man is reveled in that context. In Scripture "sin" deals with man and man's relations. Man sins against other men. Man sins against the "community" of God. Man sins against God.
The difficulty comes in how "sin" is defined. Is "sin" an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law? If so, then Satan and the fallen angels are not guilty of "sin" as we know it because they were not given the divine law to transgress (they could be serving their purpose). Additionally, Satan is (by definition) the Adversary who accuses men. Scripture presents Satan as the adversary of men, not conquering God's will but tempting mankind.
This is an interesting discussion but I am not sure that Scripture dives enough into the "spiritual realm" to provide the answers we may seek.
I don't follow, 34 is speaking to Israel Specificly
what is your point?
In the N.T , all the sheap are his and some become lost, He leaves the goals and seeks the lost
GoodTidings
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You're confusing issues. No one is saying that Jesus' death doesn't cover all sin. Jesus paid for all sins past, present and future. But that only applies to humanity. Jesus died to redeem those who of Adam's line, which excludes angels.
GoodTidings
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Angels cannot be saved because angels are not human beings and are not the object of God's plan of redemption. The plan of redemption is only ever presented in the Bible as being for humanity.
Again, if you believe otherwise, then show us. If you believe that angels can be saved, then provide something from the Word of God.
GoodTidings
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ALL of whom are men.
GoodTidings
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We don't need one. If the argument you are making is that since there is no verses that expressly excludes fallen angels, thus fallen angels can be saved, you are committing a logical fallacy by making an argument from silence. You can introduce any kind of false teaching imaginable on the basis of what is not said. The Bible doesn't say that Mary was not at some point in her life, a prostitute. So, if I follow the logical pattern you are employing with fallen angels, I could make the case that since you cannot produce a verse that says that Mary was never a prostitute, then it is possible that she was. You can do that with anything. The possibilities would be endless.
If you think fallen angels can be saved, it is YOU, not us, who have the burden of proof in this discussion. YOU have to provide the evidence that warrants a change in our theology, or you need to simply concede that there is no evidence and no biblical warrant for claiming that angels can be saved.
No....God says He will seek and save His Sheep...in John 10,and Luke 19 it is seen.
Not Adams line, but the seed of Abraham.
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