Featured Church Rapture seen in Revlation 4:1-4

We can go to Revelation 5:
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.

Observe, mh "1. The church begins the doxology, as being more immediately concerned in it (Revelation 5:8), the four living creatures, and the four-and-twenty elders, the Christian people, under their minister, lead up the chorus.

Verse 10:mh, " Every ransomed slave is not immediately preferred to honour he thinks it a great favour to be restored to liberty. But when the elect of God were made slaves by sin and Satan, in every nation of the world, Christ not only purchased their liberty for them, but the highest honour and preferment, made them kings and priests--kings, to rule over their own spirits, and to overcome the world, and the evil one and he has made them priests, given them access to himself, and liberty to offer up spiritual sacrifices, and they shall reign on the earth they shall with him judge the world at the great day."

We see in verses
8 "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

All the singing is taking place in Heaven and MH says "The church begins the doxology, as being more immediately concerned in it." that would place the church in Heaven prior to the Tribulation. Over and over we see MH teaching a Rapture of the church and here prior to the beginning of Earth's redemption we see "The church begins the doxology" in heaven.

Again prior to what you say was Darby forming the pre-trib rapture we see Henry saying "the church begins the doxology" and that doxology is clearly began in Heaven.

The Waldenses and other were looking for the return of christ for His church prior to the Tribulation.

 

Every Believer from Adam to anyone in this present age soul goes to Heaven now. Prior to Christ death on the cross they went to Paradise with a great gulf fixed between it and torments, Jesus taught us that. At some point and probably during His 3 full days and 3 full nights in the tomb Christ carried those O.T. saints into Heaven. Everyone who died after that point that was saved went straight to heaven and still does. However, the big difference is that after Revelation 4 the resurrection of the Saints of this present age of Grace as Paul calls will have their completed resurrection bodies.

I guess until folks understand what is taking place in Revelation 6-19 is all about they will never understand the Church age believers being kept from the hour or time of tribulation.

It really isn't that hard to see. After Revelation 4 and 5, we never see the mention of the church. We see 144,000 Jews converted with a great multitude of souls. We see plagues, war and devastation greater than the world has ever known.

Just like Jesus Predicted and prophesied, yet there are those who don't want to believe in a literal judgment for the world.

The time of the Redemption of all creation. First the church would go through seven phases reaching the zenith with the Laodecian the Luke Warm Church the phase which we currently live in.

Revelation 3:14-21

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

The church of today is the chruch of the rights of the People that is what Laodecia means. People everywhere are demanding their rights. The right to believe their way. they have everything and have no need to believe God or His word. Not realizing just how wanting their doctrine is. It is this phase that Christ will return and many won't even realize it because for them nothing has changed. Christ says He will spew that church out of His mouth that is He will vomit them up they make Him sick.

they turn against the truth of His word, He stands at the door knocking to come in and fellowship with them, but they are too caught up in themselves and their beliefs to even fellowship with Him and yet even in this age we have a remnant and most of us who are in that Remnant were saved during the greatest phase the church would go through the Church of Brotherly Love, the church of the Revival era. The church that received the promise of not going through the hour of Trial. We may be still at the tail end of the phase but I believe we are in that Lukewarm time of the church of the Rights of the People.

when Christ returns for the church the true believers of His church the one He said to Peter upon this rock will I build my church, many in the current Phase will be spewed out as Lukewarm because they have never received Christ by Grace through Faith.

 

I don't know what He'll do to for teaching the church as a parenthesis, I don't teach it that way. God planned for the church in Eternity past, why you continue to insist on a parenthesis church I know not.

 

I never said anything about Watts other than I haven't studied much of his works, then I realized I had seen his songs. So why do you connect me with any statement on Watts?

 

The prayers of the saints which had not been answered. Praying for people to be saved who hadn't, so that they will trust in Christ. With the believers in heaven our prayers for those unsaved are still there for those on earth. Thanks for seeing how our Prayers for the salvation of others are stored to be answered. Also proving that many who have heard the Gospel still have prayers going up for them in the Tribulation.

 

I actually have a series of books on revelation coming out.

 

Just the truth of scripture as lead by the Holy Spirit.

 

The Holy Spirit lead me to the Truth I have read very little of what Darby taught so I am not sure what he wrote. You claim he taught a Parenthesis church and I said post what he wrote and where he said it you haven't.

Just because you don't believe it that way doesn't mean it is in error, yours may in be in error. I know that all my sins were confessed and I was filled with the Spirit as I studied and He not you lead or any other Pastor brought me to this truth.
I know my Dad after fervent prayer to be lead to greater truths was lead to the Pre-Trib vies. So you tell me when a Christian ask the Holy Spirit in Fervent prayer to guide him to the truth would the Spirit lead to error?