City Threatens to Arrest Ministers Who Refuse to Perform Same-Sex Weddings

[Judith]

Uh no its not. It is about being forced to go against their sincerely held religious beliefs.

JW's do not believe in blood transfusions and that is their sincere religious belief. Yet they are forced to give them to their children if needed.They are using the Lord! No one is called to marry people. Some real Christians do not believe in medial held. Prayer only yet they can be forced to have medical treatment by the government.

These two people are trying to justify their lawlessness in the name of Christ and they are in sin. Their sincerity means nothing when it is sincerely wrong and they are wrong. As a business we do not have the right to refuse service to people based on this lifestyle as long as their lifestyle is legal. They are not called to marry people so this is not a ministry or part of their calling. This is a business and they have to serve everyone like it or not. If they do not like it get out of that business.

 

[Salty]

JW's do not believe in blood transfusions and that is their sincere religious belief. Yet they are forced to give them to their children if needed.They are using the Lord!....

Not exactly - the govt may force a JW child to have a blood transfusion - but they do not require the parent to preform the blood transfusion.

If I am not mistaken - a dr or nurse cannot be forced to preform an abortion.
And I would suppose a JW nurse would not be required to assist in a blood transfusion.

I tried to find a link for that - not successful yet - can anyone help with finding such a link?

 

[Revmitchell]

JW's do not believe in blood transfusions and that is their sincere religious belief.

OK with regard to these ordained ministers we are not talking about anything that affects life or death. Not a legitimate comparison.

 

[Sapper Woody]

But the government discriminates!!!
I work in a C-Store. I am NOT permitted to sell booze to adults under the age of 21.

I am not even allowed to tell a pregnant woman that drinking booze may harm her baby.

Who is the government to make moral decisions.

The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."-

Forcing me to preform a homosexual@l wedding is PROHIBITING my free exercise of religion.

Salty, the difference here is that they are in a business. This is not a church, with pastors being forced to marry them. This is a business that is refusing service. It's the same as if I owned a McDonald's, but refused to serve food to gays.

They really are discriminating. They'll do adulterers, fornicators, and others. Just not homosexuals.

 

[carpro]

I never knew so many people believed that you had to put your Christian principles on the shelf when you opened a business.

I wonder if some of these people aren't the same ones that complain about the dishonesty of all kinds of businesses and their owners.

Next time you get cheated by a businessman, I hope you remember he doesn't have to act like a Christian...even though he 's a deacon in your own church. :thumbs:

 

[Revmitchell]

I wonder if some of these people aren't the same ones that complain about the dishonesty of all kinds of businesses and their owners.

Or are they some of the same people that say we need to drop the tax exempt status of the churches to get the government out of the church.

Of course getting rid of the 5013c affects far more than the tax status.

And then churches would be subject to for profit standards. The church just can't win.

 

[Salty]

...They really are discriminating...

Business discriminate all the time.

If an employee steals he is fired
If a customer is obnoxious, the store can make him leave.

A store discriminates by not allowing men into the ladies restroom ( opps - that's in the courts)

Keep in mind, there is legal discrimination and illegal discrimination. Problem is sometimes the government doesn't know when to keep its nose out of places it doesn't belong.

We often use the word discriminate, without realizing the proper meaning.

This couple have a valid religious belief that should be respected.

 

[Revmitchell]

The government has no business making laws that make people accept sin as acceptable. Period.

 

[Judith]

Salty, the difference here is that they are in a business. This is not a church, with pastors being forced to marry them. This is a business that is refusing service. It's the same as if I owned a McDonald's, but refused to serve food to gays.

They really are discriminating. They'll do adulterers, fornicators, and others. Just not homosexuals.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
Yes and It is called being a hypocrite.

 

[Judith]

The government has no business making laws that make people accept sin as acceptable. Period.

The government has not done that. The government has said a business cannot discriminate which these two people are doing.

 

[Judith]

Business discriminate all the time.

If an employee steals he is fired
If a customer is obnoxious, the store can make him leave.

A store discriminates by not allowing men into the ladies restroom ( opps - that's in the courts)

Keep in mind, there is legal discrimination and illegal discrimination. Problem is sometimes the government doesn't know when to keep its nose out of places it doesn't belong.

We often use the word discriminate, without realizing the proper meaning.

This couple have a valid religious belief that should be respected.

These two are nothing but systers using the Lord to make money and call it is ministry. They are in business, not ministry and have no right to discriminate against anyone who is legally asking for a legal service.

They need to get out of business and get into ministry.

 

[Judith]

Not exactly - the govt may force a JW child to have a blood transfusion - but they do not require the parent to preform the blood transfusion.

If I am not mistaken - a dr or nurse cannot be forced to preform an abortion.
And I would suppose a JW nurse would not be required to assist in a blood transfusion.

I tried to find a link for that - not successful yet - can anyone help with finding such a link?

You are grasping at straws. :laugh:

 

[Salty]

These two are nothing but systers using the Lord to make money and call it is ministry. They are in business, not ministry and have no right to discriminate against anyone who is legally asking for a legal service.

They need to get out of business and get into ministry.

Its nice to know that your pastor receives no pay.

 

[Use of Time]

Its nice to know that your pastor receives no pay.

Are you trying to equate a Baptist Church to the Hitching Post?

 

[Serving Him]

It appears that their free exercise of religion is being infringed upon.

 

[Salty]

Are you trying to equate a Baptist Church to the Hitching Post?

No such thing as a Baptist Church.

Sure a Baptist church is a non-profit
and the Hitching Post is a for profit business

But as I stated before,
Legally, in the United States, the Church Amendment protects the right of a doctor to refuse to perform an abortion, so a woman has no legal right to receive an abortion from an objecting physician. - even at a For Profit Hospital

I would suggest you read the First Amendment.

 

[go2church]

Perhaps the covenant of marriage shouldn't be reduced to a diddy, a DVD and a payment? Why do something sacred outside the oversight of a local church? Skirting around the church for profit seems to catch up,with you eventually. If all they want to do is minister, why not dot it without payment?

If paying taxes violated my deeply held religous views, do I get to be exempt?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Sacred or not, businesses should not be forced to go against their wishes. This is simply over-reach. Not sure why most won't admit this.

 

[Alcott]

If paying taxes violated my deeply held religous views, do I get to be exempt?

If true freedom prevailed, you would. Of course, you would be entitled to no government protections...but that's separation for you.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Sacred or not, businesses should not be forced to go against their wishes. This is simply over-reach. Not sure why most won't admit this.

That's right and so is the Houston Mayor trying to do the same to Pastors. They are beating on the doors like Lots house.