climate change...

[robycop3]

I believe climate change is coming at GOD'S WILL. If man were causing it, it would've occurred in the 19th-early 20th century when man was burning a huge amount of coal, with wood & crude oil being secondary fuels. This was worldwide, not just in England & America. Vast amounts of smoke, heat, & CO2 went into the atmosphere, much-more than now. Many British buildings & trees were soot-blackened, and smog became legendary. Both coal & wood furnaces, from home heating to steel mills, sent most of their heat & smoke up chimneys & smoke stacks into the air. And several great wars, from the American Civil War through WW1 put vast amounts of more pollutants into the air.

Now, most homes that need to be heated are warmed by electric or natural gas. Steelmaking is vastly cleaner, with blast furnaces putting out mostly heat & very little coal smoke, & electric furnaces much-less of either. But yet, the New-Age-liberals want to blame man for causing global warmth to increase! (never mind the ancient times when North America & Europe were tropical, or the more-recent Ice Age before man could influence the weather at all.)

I believe GOD is permitting it to occur, as part of the gathering storm of punishment He's gonna send upon the world mas part of "the final countdown" to Jesus' return. That's my $0.02 on climate change!

 

[37818]

I remember in the 1970's CO2 was then said to be 0.03% (Argon 1%, Oxygen 21% and Nitrogen 78%). Today CO2 is at 0.04%.

 

[Wingman68]

The climate has always, & will always change. The whole climate change thing is just another trumped up method of control. If God wants to punish us, I don’t believe it would be through incremental picking at us. It will be swift, & we will recognize it instantly…….if we are believers.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

There's no doubt it's changing where I live. I've mentioned it before on here too. I've growed warm-weather plants much longer than the old folks used to be able to. We have a longer growing season in general.

We're probably one of the few areas where most of us do still heat exclusively with wood here .

 

[37818]

Which emits more carbon dioxide: volcanoes or human activities? | NOAA Climate.gov

 

[Andre]

I believe climate change is coming at GOD'S WILL. If man were causing it, it would've occurred in the 19th-early 20th century when man was burning a huge amount of coal, with wood & crude oil being secondary fuels.

What are your qualifications to render such a judgement? Are you a trained climate expert? How do you explain the overwhelming majority of appropriately trained experts believe climate change is caused by human activity? Have they all overlooked your theory, presented above?

 

[robycop3]

What are your qualifications to render such a judgement? Are you a trained climate expert? How do you explain the overwhelming majority of appropriately trained experts believe climate change is caused by human activity? Have they all overlooked your theory, presented above?

Maybe so. I know a lot of history. I've read many stories & seen many photos from the past. Are scientists & experts always right?

"I see no military use for aeroplanes."

In 1945, regarding money spent on the Manhattan Project, Adm. William Leahy told President Harry S. Truman, “That is the biggest fool thing we have ever done. The [atomic] bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives.”

"A carrier has no chance against a battleship!" (Adm. Sir Tom Phillips, British Royal Navy)

Albert Einstein predicted: “There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.”

Listening to its experts in 1936, The New York Times predicted, “A rocket will never be able to leave the Earth’s atmosphere.”

So, don't put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to believing experts.

 

[Andre]

So, don't put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to believing experts.

Yes, but you are far more vulnerable to this critique than I am. When you side with the tiny minority of experts who do not believe that climate change is man-made, you are effectively putting your eggs in that tiny basket - the overwhelming majority of trained experts believe climate change is caused by us.

The rational position is to believe them, not the tiny minority.

 

[just-want-peace]

I remember reading of the Patent Office Chief in 1895(?) resigning and looking for a new job! His reasoning was, "Everything that can be invented, has been, so this office will soon cease to exist!"

 

[OnlyaSinner]

Yes, but you are far more vulnerable to this critique than I am. When you side with the tiny minority of experts who do not believe that climate change is man-made, you are effectively putting your eggs in that tiny basket - the overwhelming majority of trained experts believe climate change is caused by us.

The rational position is to believe them, not the tiny minority.

Whether the warming climate is entirely human caused, mostly, slightly or not at all (IMO it's mostly) doesn't mean it's not God's will. He is sovereign and in carrying out His plan can choose miraculous intervention, or providential guidance thru human activity, for climate change or anything else. I suspect the great majority of secular climate experts would not attribute any climate effects to God's direction - directly or otherwise.

 

[John of Japan]

For those of us who have lived in the far North (Hokkaido), "global warming is a good thing!

 

[kyredneck]

For those of us who have lived in the far North (Hokkaido), "global warming is a good thing!

I never have seen the problem with it getting warmer.

 

[robycop3]

Yes, but you are far more vulnerable to this critique than I am. When you side with the tiny minority of experts who do not believe that climate change is man-made, you are effectively putting your eggs in that tiny basket - the overwhelming majority of trained experts believe climate change is caused by us.

The rational position is to believe them, not the tiny minority.

Then, let them provide a rational explanation why climate change didn't occur when man was putting much more smoke, soot, & greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and why past global warming & ice ages occurred. And let them explain why the Roman warm period(C.250-400AD), & the medieval warm periods(C. 950-1100AD) occurred, as well as the "little ice age" that followed the medieval warmth, when man caused only a fraction of the atmospheric pollution he later caused.

 

[Revmitchell]

In the 70s and 80s they said a global freeze was coming. Now it’s warming. According to all Gore we should have all died by now.

it’s all a political agenda to make people do what they want. Nothing more

 

[Andre]

In the 70s and 80s they said a global freeze was coming.

Which experts said this?

Not which newspaper said this, which experts said this?

 

[John of Japan]

Which experts said this?

Not which newspaper said this, which experts said this?

I remember this. I was in college at the time. The fear-mongering was all over the news.

Then there were the population explosion experts who said that we would soon overpopulate the world and everyone would starve to death. Again, fear-mongering.

 

[Andre]

I remember this. I was in college at the time. The fear-mongering was all over the news.

Indeed.

What experts - not newspapers - said the world was cooling?

 

[John of Japan]

Indeed.

What experts - not newspapers - said the world was cooling?

Oh, a bunch of them. You expect me to remember names after 50 years? And even if I did, you wouldn't know them.

The point is, these scares come and go, but Christ is eternal. I was not afraid of global cooling or over-population then then, and I'm not afraid of global warming now. As the old "spiritual" says, "He's got the whole world in His hands...." Why then should I listen to fear mongering? (I do not say that is what you are doing.)

 

[robycop3]

Indeed.

What experts - not newspapers - said the world was cooling?

One was William Connelly; another was a group, the American Meteorlogical Society.(Can't recall the names of any of them)

 

[JonC]

Here is a very interesting article. It may answer some questions asked here:

THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS in: Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society Volume 89 Issue 9 (2008)

I can't upload the pdf, but the link is above.