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COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

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3rdAngel

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Alofa Atu said:
Brother 1689Dave., do you even see how far from the OP, of Colossians 2, you are now? It is like discussing Godhead and John 1:1 with WTS members. It simply goes from one thing to another, circling round and round and always not addressing the points made about the original text raised.
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I have given up. Seems everyone wants to talk about anything else except the OP. Confused At least I hope the scriptures can get people thinking. God bless you brother I have to go for now
 
Alofa Atu

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Colossians 2.

sabbath days, shadow, ordinances.

Not a single one of God's Ten Commandments is a shadow (yet feast sabbaths were typical, shadow), as all of it is Light, and never called ordinances (yet in the feasts with sabbaths were ordinances, washings, etc), but always God's Law.
 
3rdAngel

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To everyone that has participated in this OP. Thankyou all for the discussion. I pray that you all my be challenged to seek JESUS through his Word. Everything shared here has only been shared in truth and in love. I wish you all only the best in the LORD JESUS who loves us and washed us in his own blood, To him be all glory.

May you receive God's WORD and be blessed. :Smile
 
1689Dave

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Alofa Atu said:
You misunderstand "law" in context, and the manner in which such is kept:

Isa_51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It is the enemy of all souls that teaches men to disregard the Ten Commandments of God, and to disobey (not keep them in God's grace through faith).

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Are you sinning in keeping the Sabbath? The apostles tell us not to. And Paul says if you keep ANY part of it, you fall from grace. Something to think about.
 
1689Dave

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Alofa Atu said:
You misunderstand "law" in context, and the manner in which such is kept:

Isa_51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It is the enemy of all souls that teaches men to disregard the Ten Commandments of God, and to disobey (not keep them in God's grace through faith).

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Jesus was under the TC when he said that. But now we are under the Two Great Commandments as believers of all time were.
 
utilyan

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3rdAngel said:
Read the OP? The law of MOSES is not the LAW of GOD (10 commandments). "CIRCUMCISION" is one of the MOSAIC laws not God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20.
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Nope. Circumcision Abrahamic

John 7
22“For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and on the Sabbath you circumcise a man. 23“If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?

Its from the FATHERS. But a man has to recieve circumcision so he won't break the law of Moses. And Jesus Clearly pointing out he healed a man on the sabbath.

He is comparing his HEALING to the CIRCUMCISION. If they wanted to make the point that circumcision was just this law of Moses he wouldn't even have to mention sabbath.
 
1689Dave

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Alofa Atu said:
You misunderstand "law" in context, and the manner in which such is kept:

Isa_51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It is the enemy of all souls that teaches men to disregard the Ten Commandments of God, and to disobey (not keep them in God's grace through faith).

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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The apostles specifically meant we are not to keep the 10Cs.
 
Alofa Atu

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1689Dave said:
Are you sinning in keeping the Sabbath? The apostles tell us not to. And Paul says if you keep ANY part of it, you fall from grace. Something to think about.
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Paul said in that context, "fallen from grace", was seeking to be "justified by the law" ... which is not what either of us (myself and 3rdAngel) have said, and in fact, stated quite the opposite.

We are not justified by the law, and do not seek to be.

We teach:

Isa_45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
 
1689Dave

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Alofa Atu said:
Paul said in that context, "fallen from grace", was seeking to be "justified by the law" ... which is not what either of us (myself and 3rdAngel) have said, and in fact, stated quite the opposite.

We are not justified by the law, and do not seek to be.

We teach:

Isa_45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
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You are keeping some of the law which means you must keep all of it. = fallen from grace.
 
Alofa Atu

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1689Dave said:
You are keeping some of the law which means you must keep all of it. = fallen from grace.
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No, it is attempting to keep without God's grace and without faith in His salvation (from sin, Matthew 1:21), to be justified not in Christ, but through the "law" (Torah). We do not teach that.
 
1689Dave

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Alofa Atu said:
No, it is attempting to keep without God's grace and without faith in His salvation (from sin, Matthew 1:21), to be justified not in Christ, but through the "law" (Torah). We do not teach that.
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If the apostles tell you not to keep the Sabbath, which they did, are you sinning?
 
Alofa Atu

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1689Dave said:
Are you sinning in keeping the Sabbath? ...
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1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Exodus 20:8-11 is such "law".

1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

You are literally asking me, if keeping the Sabbath is sinning?

Brother 1689Dave, Jesus the perfect man, the example for Christians to follow (follow the Lamb), in whom was no sin, kept the Sabbath of the LORD.

Do you not hear the question you are asking?

You are teaching to transgress God's commandment is righteousness, and to keep God's commandment is sin.

Take a step back brother. Look.
 
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