COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[3rdAngel]

Angel, you & Alofa keep speaking of CONTEXT, when most of the context of the NT is that we're no longer bound by the law. But you choose to believe what your false prophetess wrote about their meanings, rather than what they ACTUALLY mean.

CONTEXT matters and this is demonstrated in the OP for COLOSSIANS 2 in reference to COLOSSIANS 2:16-17. If you disagree please address the scriptures provided in the OP giving a detailed breakdown of CONTEXT. If you cannot ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear brother and you should believe God's WORD and be blessed.

 

[3rdAngel]

We use some of the 10Cs for instruction and correct thinking. The flesh still needs Law. But the Spirit gives us power over the flesh.

David how does anything you have posted here address the scriptures provided to you that you are quotng from in the last post. Please re-read it brother as it doesn't.

 

[3rdAngel]

Jesus was fulfilling the Law. But after doing so he abolished it.

Hmm just here more of your words here brother. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' WORD that teaches that God's 10 commandments are abolished. JESUS and all the Apostles taught God's 10 commandments which have the same role they aways have and that is to give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. These are God's WORD not mine brother. I believe them, how about you?

 

[1689Dave]

Hmm just here more of your words here brother. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' WORD that teaches that God's 10 commandments are abolished. JESUS and all the Apostles taught God's 10 commandments which have the same role they aways have and that is to give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. These are God's WORD not mine brother. I believe them, how about you?

Nowhere are we told to keep the Sabbath. Here's what we are to keep.

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:” Acts 15:24 (KJV 1900)

“For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.” Acts 15:28–29 (KJV 1900)

(This is not OT Law. If so, it would require returning to the entire Old Covenant. It is NT law that pre-dates the OT. Genesis 9:4 shows abstinence from blood commanded by God to Noah.

Joshua 24:2 shows the idol worship Abraham's ancestors.

So the point being that since similarities exist in the Old Covenant, they do not place us back under the OT.

“As they went through the towns, they passed on the decrees that had been decided on by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the Gentile believers to obey.” (Acts 16:4)).

 

[3rdAngel]

Nowhere are we told to keep the Sabbath. Here's what we are to keep.

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:” Acts 15:24 (KJV 1900)

“For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.” Acts 15:28–29 (KJV 1900)

(This is not OT Law. If so, it would require returning to the entire Old Covenant. It is NT law that pre-dates the OT. Genesis 9:4 shows abstinence from blood commanded by God to Noah.

Joshua 24:2 shows the idol worship Abraham's ancestors.

So the point being that since similarities exist in the Old Covenant, they do not place us back under the OT.

“As they went through the towns, they passed on the decrees that had been decided on by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the Gentile believers to obey.” (Acts 16:4)).

Nope you are confsed Dave, ACTS 15 is talking about "CIRCUMCISION" as a requirement for salvation from the "MOSAIC book of the law. Not God's 10 commandments *ACTS 15:1-2. This is what the OP is talking about that you did not read. It is referring to the "SHADOW" laws in "ORDINANCES" (ecclesiastical and ceremonial laws from the law of MOSES) not God's 10 commandments. Perhaps it's time for you to read the OP on COLOSSIANS 2?

 

[1689Dave]

Nope you are confsed Dave, ACTS 15 is talking about "CIRCUMCISION" as a requirement for salvation from the "MOSAIC book of the law. Not God's 10 commandments *ACTS 15:1-2. This is what the OP is talking about that you did not read. It is referring to the "SHADOW" laws in "ORDINANCES" (ecclesiastical and ceremonial laws from the law of MOSES) not God's 10 commandments.

= the whole Law, just as the Sabbath does. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:” Acts 15:24 (KJV 1900)

 

[3rdAngel]

= the whole Law, just as the Sabbath does. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:” Acts 15:24 (KJV 1900)

Did you read what you are quoting from brother? Is "CIRCUMCISION" *ACTS 15:1-2 one of God's 10 commandments? You did not read all of what you were quoting from did you Dave. ACTS 15 is talking about "CIRCUMCISION" as a requirement for salvation from the "MOSAIC book of the law. Not God's 10 commandments *ACTS 15:1-2. "the law" being referenced here is the ecclesiastical and ceremonial laws in "ORDINANCES" from the MOSAIC book of the law. Not God's 10 commandments.

 

[1689Dave]

Did you read what you are quoting from brother? Is "CIRCUMCISION" *ACTS 15:1-2 one of God's 10 commandments? You did not read all of what you were quoting from did you Dave

"and keep the Law". Circumcision made one a Jew. So they are talking about it AND law keeping.

 

[3rdAngel]

"and keep the Law". Circumcision made one a Jew. So they are talking about it AND law keeping.

"CIRCUMCISION" *ACTS 15:1-2 (CONTEXT) from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law is not one of God's 10 commandments. If you follow your argument through it teaches that one can sin and be saved. God's WORD does not teach that brother. JESUS came to save us from our sins, not to continue in them *JOHN 8:31-36.

 

[1689Dave]

"CIRCUMCISION" is not one of God's 10 commandments.

"AND the Law" is.

 

[3rdAngel]

"AND the Law" is.

Read the OP? The law of MOSES is not the LAW of GOD (10 commandments). "CIRCUMCISION" is one of the MOSAIC laws not God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20.

 

[1689Dave]

Read the OP? The law of MOSES is not the LAW of GOD (10 commandments)

They are the same. The Moses version was for reprobates forcing them to act like believers.

 

[Alofa Atu]

"AND the Law" is.

Brother 1689Dave., do you even see how far from the OP, of Colossians 2, you are now? It is like discussing Godhead and John 1:1 with WTS members. It simply goes from one thing to another, circling round and round and always not addressing the points made about the original text raised.

 

[Alofa Atu]

They are the same. The Moses version was for reprobates forcing them to act like believers.

The rules regarding circumcision of the flesh were in the Ark of the Covenant?

 

[1689Dave]

Brother 1689Dave., do you even see how far from the OP, of Colossians 2, you are now? It is like discussing Godhead and John 1:1 with WTS members. It simply goes from one thing to another, circling round and round and always not addressing the points made about the original text raised.

Now, the apostles told me not to keep the Law and you say I should. To whom shall I comply? Isn't this a no brainer?

 

[3rdAngel]

"AND the Law" is.

Why would you think ACTS 15 is talking about God's 10 commandments when PAUL goes on and latter says this......

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

According to you PAUL is condtrdicting himself but he is not it is your interpretation of the scriptures that is in error brother.

 

[1689Dave]

Why would you think ACTS 15 is talking about the 10 commandments when PAUL goes on and latter says this......

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

According to you PAUL is condtrdicting himself but he is not it is your interpretation of the scriptures that is in error brother.

There are Two Great Commandments believers keep. The Ten were for kidnappers and the like.

 

[3rdAngel]

There are Two Great Commandments believers keep. The Ten were for kidnappers and the like.

Not really Dave. Its is JESUS (not me) that says "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (love to God and man) HANGE ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. These scriptures have been shared with you more than a few times already but you do not seem to believe them.

 

[3rdAngel]

The rules regarding circumcision of the flesh were in the Ark of the Covenant?

Yep good point. The book of the law of Moses was places beside the ark, while the 10 commandments were placed inside under the "mercy seat". It seems not many read their bible. Thanks for sharing brother.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Now, the apostles told me not to keep the Law and you say I should. To whom shall I comply? Isn't this a no brainer?

You misunderstand "law" in context, and the manner in which such is kept:

Isa_51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It is the enemy of all souls that teaches men to disregard the Ten Commandments of God, and to disobey (not keep them in God's grace through faith).

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.