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COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

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3rdAngel

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If you stick to scripture, it all works out and the bondage of Sabbath keeping disappears.

There is only bondage in sin (breaking God's LAW; 1 JOHN 3:4). JESUS came to save us from sin, not to continue in sin *JOHN 8:31-36. Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin. If the son of man shall make you free you shall be free indeed. If you continue in sin you will die *ROMANS 8:13. Those who are born of God do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:6-10. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil. *1 JOHN 2:1-4; REVELATION 14:12; REVEALATION 22:14. According to God's WORD (not mine) if we brean anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:9-10. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give is the knowledge of what sin is *EXODUS 20:8-11. Now Dave where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If there is no scripture why do you not believe Gods' WORD?

God's Sheep hear His Voice and follow him.

Receive God's WORD and be blessed.
 

1689Dave

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There is only bondage in sin (breaking God's LAW; 1 JOHN 3:4). JESUS came to save us from sin, not to continue in sin *JOHN 8:31-36. If you continue in sin you will die *GALATIANS 5:16. Those who are born of God do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:6-10. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil. *1 JOHN 2:1-4; REVELATION 14:12; REVEALATION 22:14. According to God's WORD (not mine) if we brean anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:9-10. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give is the knowledge of what sin is *EXODUS 20:8-11. Now Dave where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If there is no scripture why do you not believe Gods' WORD?

God's Sheep hear His Voice and follow him.

Receive God's WORD and be blessed.
If you keep the Sabbath, you must do the whole law = rejecting the New Covenant.
 

robycop3

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As I said. It doesn't replace them. See Romans 3:31. See 2 Corinthians 3-4, which is citing Ezekiel, etc.

Read Matthew 5 carefully and see the Ten Commandments laid out in detail, in their depth.

Read Paul in Romans 13., etc, etc.


I KNOW the NC does. Did Jesus help kill the adulterous woman brought before Him? Do we sinlessly kill sexual perverts just because they're perverts? Do we kill witches & warlocks? How about the fortuneteller down the street?
 

1689Dave

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That's a misunderstanding of the "bondage" Peter spoke of. He referred to their fathers agreement/covenant in Exodus 19.

The Law of God is never bondage, for the Law of God is Truth:

Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

And what shall the Truth do:

Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

So when Scripture says, that "law" was given by Moses, it refers to Torah, but when it speaks of Truth, it refers to God's Law, given by Jesus upon Mt Sinai and again on the Sermon on the Mount:

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Notice Peter:

Act_8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

Notice the Psalmist:

Psa_73:6 Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.

Jesus, in Luke 4, citing Isiah 61, on the 7th day the Sabbath (the Day of God's rest) came to set the captives to sin (1 John 3:4) free.


“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” Galatians 5:1 (KJV 1900)


“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.” 2 Peter 2:20 (KJV 1900)
 

mailmandan

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Welcome the man who follows the word of website over the Word of God. Yet another one seeking to discuss anything else except the Word of God and the OP? Amazing. Now maybe you can tell is from your websites. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If you cannot you know Dan your only denying God's Word in order to follow your traditions because you work on the Sabbath. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. All those continue in known unrepentant sin do not enter into the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23 and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *HEBREWS 10:26-39. You spreading lies in order to deny God's Word and ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.
Follows the word of website over the Word of God? Seeking to discuss anything else except the Word of God and the OP? You continue to sound like a shady lawyer with your continued slanderous remarks, which validates what these former SDA's have to say about your deceptive false religion. I have quoted the Word of God numerous times in my posts and anytime I post a link to a website, it quotes the Word of God. I have also discussed the OP in post #34, but the truth just went right over your head and you responded in typical style with more scripture twisting and SDA propaganda.

Speaking of websites, do you still support this website? - https://www.beastsmark.com If I remember right, you were quite fond of it and had a link to it in your posts on one or two other Christian forums.

I often hear SDA's make the challenge for someone to show them where the 4th commandment has been abolished or show that Sunday instead of Saturday is the day to worship, yet it's all part of building a straw man and is not the real issue and the New Testament makes it a moot point.

Romans 14:5 - "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."

Galatians 4:9-11 "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."

Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Of course, SDA's will use deceptive measures to try and make us believe that these passages of scripture above have nothing to do with with the sabbath day and SDA's also have a very difficult time making the complete transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13 )

In regards to God's 4th commandment in the Old Testament under the old covenant, maybe you can tell me where in the New Testament under the new covenant where Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath day or are condemned for failing to do so? So why do you hate Sunday so much? I found an interesting passage of scripture for you to ponder in the Old Testament since you despise Sunday so much. In LEVITICUS 23:5-11, notice in verse 11 - "'And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.'" The day after the Sabbath is Sunday. Read on paying close attention to Leviticus 23:15 - "'You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.'" This is the Feast of Pentecost. It was one of the compulsory feasts of Israel. Also take note on the day of Pentecost, (a Sunday) God's people were commanded to worship. God says, "On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations." Leviticus 23:21. ;)

I neither deny God's Word or follow traditions if I work on Saturday because I am not an Israelite under the law, so enough with your continued copy and paste regurgitated false accusations. You continue to "parrot off" that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Well guess what, ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) NOBODY has perfectly obeyed the 10 commandments except Jesus Christ, so stop looking to the law for salvation. :Cautious Instead, look to Jesus Christ. (Romans 3:24-28; 5:1; 6:23) :)

Accusing believers of spreading lies and denying God's Word doesn't make the truth that salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) disappear. Seeking salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" (Galatians 1:6-9) counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing. (Hebrews 10:26-39). I find it so ironic that verses you quote to rebuke others apply directly to you. I sincerely hope and pray that your eyes will one day be opened to the truth. Only the Lord can open your eyes to the truth, but you must be willing to repent and accept the truth.
 

3rdAngel

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If you keep the Sabbath, you must do the whole law = rejecting the New Covenant.

Dave these are your words not God's WORD. Now according to God's WORD, God's LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. If you have no law how do you know what sin is? You do err brother not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.
 

1689Dave

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Dave these are your words not God's WORD. Now according to God's WORD, God's LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. If you have no law how do you know what sin is? You do err brother not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.
The NC gives knowledge of sin through the Holy Spirit.


“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:” John 16:7–8 (KJV 1900)

“And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)
 

robycop3

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Cmon guys? No one want to discuss the OP with me on COLOSSIANS 2 with a focus on COLOSSIANS 2:16?

We discussed it as far as is necessary. Its meaning is very clear. And Paul wrote in other places, BY GOD'S AUTHORITY, that Christians are NOT bound by the law. (Of course, we're bound to not commit evil acts against other people, nor worship any other "god".)

We simply DON'T believe your "shadow" junk, which is straight outta Mrs. White's trash, nor anything much else that ole quack wrote.
 

robycop3

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More of your words Roby denying God's WORD. Your words are not Gods WORD. Denying God's WORD does not make it dissappear. I believe God's Word and so should you. If you disagree with what I have shared with you from Gods' WORD in the OP than prove it with God's WORD. If you cannot it only shows you are in error. If so why not believe God's WORD and receive God's blessing?

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him. THose who knowingly follow man made traditions that break the commandments of God accorinding to JESUS are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

You insist upon PREVARICATING. I wouldn't respond to your bunk at all, except I hope no new believer believes any of it.

Your LIE is that I deny GOD'S word. What I deny is Mrs. White's word, & the whole SDA cult.
 

3rdAngel

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Follows the word of website over the Word of God? Seeking to discuss anything else except the Word of God and the OP?
You continue to sound like a shady lawyer with your continued slanderous remarks, which validates what these former SDA's have to say about your deceptive false religion. I have quoted the Word of God numerous times in my posts and anytime I post a link to a website, it quotes the Word of God. I have also discussed the OP in post #34, but the truth just went right over your head and you responded in typical style with more scripture twisting and SDA propaganda. Speaking of websites, do you still support this website? - https://www.beastsmark.com If I remember right, you were quite fond of it and had a link to it in your posts on one or two Christian forums.

I often hear SDA's make the challenge for someone to show them where the 4th commandment has been abolished or show that Sunday instead of Saturday is the day to worship, yet it's all part of building a straw man and is not the real issue and the New Testament makes it a moot point.

Romans 14:5 - "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."

Galatians 4:9-11 "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."

Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Of course, SDA's will use deceptive measures to try and make us believe that these passages of scripture above have nothing to do with with the sabbath day and SDA's also have a very difficult time making the complete transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13 )

In regards to God's 4th commandment in the Old Testament under the old covenant, maybe you can tell me where in the New Testament under the new covenant where Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath day or are condemned for failing to do so? So why do you hate Sunday so much? I found an interesting passage of scripture for you to ponder in the Old Testament since you despise Sunday so much. In LEVITICUS 23:5-11, notice in verse 11 - "'And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.'" The day after the Sabbath is Sunday. Read on paying close attention to Leviticus 23:15 - "'You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.'" This is the Feast of Pentecost. It was one of the compulsory feasts of Israel. Also take note on the day of Pentecost, (a Sunday) God's people were commanded to worship. God says, "On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations." Leviticus 23:21. ;)

I neither deny God's Word or follow traditions if I work on Saturday because I am not an Israelite under the law, so enough with your continued copy and paste regurgitated false accusations. You continue to "parrot off" that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Well guess what, ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) NOBODY has perfectly obeyed the 10 commandments except Jesus Christ, so stop looking to the law for salvation. :Cautious Instead, look to Jesus Christ. (Romans 3:24-28; 5:1; 6:23) :)

Accusing believers of spreading lies and denying God's Word doesn't make the truth that salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) disappear. Seeking salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing. (Hebrews 10:26-39). I find it so ironic that verses you quote to rebuke others apply directly to you. I sincerely hope and pray that your eyes will one day be opened to the truth. Only the Lord can open your eyes to the truth, but you must be willing to repent and accept the truth.

Dan your just repeating yourself everything you have posted here has already been addressed in detail in this thread with God's WORD that you choose not to respond to.

Please show me a single scripture from ROMANS 14 where is says that it is talking about God's 4th commandment? This is addressed in detail showing your errors in post # 173 linked and post # 175 linked if you disagree please address these posts and the scriptures provided in them. If you cannot your only denying God's Word brother..

COLOSSIANS 2:16 claims and false teachings have been addressed in posts # 2 linked ; post # 3 linked ; post # 4 linked ; post # 5 linked and post # 6 linked that you did not read and chose to ignore. Context matters. If you disagree please address these posts that show why you are in error. If you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD? Well that is right you work on the Sabbath dont you and break God's Sabbath so this is personal for you trying to justify yourself in Gods eyes. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

Now Dan be honest now brother. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If there is no scripture why do you not believe God's WORD?

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.
 

robycop3

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Dave these are your words not God's WORD. Now according to God's WORD, God's LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. If you have no law how do you know what sin is? You do err brother not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.

Same as being circumcised as part of salvation. If you do one, you must do ALL, without fail or error.

I simply rely on JESUS to have saved me & to forgive my past sins & any I may commit in the future, unknowingly or outta anger or emotion.
 

3rdAngel

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We discussed it as far as is necessary. Its meaning is very clear. And Paul wrote in other places, BY GOD'S AUTHORITY, that Christians are NOT bound by the law. (Of course, we're bound to not commit evil acts against other people, nor worship any other "god".)

We simply DON'T believe your "shadow" junk, which is straight outta Mrs. White's trash, nor anything much else that ole quack wrote.

Well that post has no truth in it. You were provided scripture that shows why you are in error in the OP. Your response with to ignore it and call people names and make claims you cannot prove with the scriptures.
 

3rdAngel

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You insist upon PREVARICATING. I wouldn't respond to your bunk at all, except I hope no new believer believes any of it.

Your LIE is that I deny GOD'S word. What I deny is Mrs. White's word, & the whole SDA cult.

Not really. You have been provided God's WORD. You deny God's WORD with your own. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandment of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9; ROMANS 3:4. JESUS and the Apostles were also called of the devil and a cult by those who denied Gods' WORD. Thankyou for the compliment. I believe I have been blessed and in good company :)
 

3rdAngel

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The NC gives knowledge of sin through the Holy Spirit.
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:” John 16:7–8 (KJV 1900)

“And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)

God's SPIRIT only work's through the WORD not outside of it. The WORDS I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are life *JOHN 6:63; ROMANS 10:17. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (love to God and man) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.
 

3rdAngel

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Now would anyone like to discuss the OP and COLOSSIANS 2:16? Amazing how so many want to talk about everything else outside of the OP topic.
 

1689Dave

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God's SPIRIT only work's through the WORD not outside of it. The WORDS I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are life *JOHN 6:63; ROMANS 10:17. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (love to God and man) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.
The Spirit involves loving God and others. The 10Cs made people act as though they loved God and others under threat of death. If you need God to threaten you to act like a Christian, you might not be one.
 

1689Dave

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Now would anyone like to discuss the OP and COLOSSIANS 2:16? Amazing how so many want to talk about everything else outside of the OP topic.
I posted a scripture by scripture interpretation. You only brushed it off. Here it is again.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;” Colossians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

“Therefore let no one sit in judgment on you in matters of food and drink, or with regard to a feast day or a New Moon or a Sabbath.” Colossians 2:16 (AMP)

He has destroyed what was against us, a certificate of indebtedness expressed in decrees opposed to us. He has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.” Colossians 2:14 (NET)

Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days—” Colossians 2:16 (NET)

when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace,” Ephesians 2:15 (NET)

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God.” Romans 7:4 (NET)
 

3rdAngel

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The Spirit involves loving God and others. The 10Cs made people act as though they loved God and others under threat of death. If you need God to threaten you to act like a Christian, you might not be one.

Not really Dave. What do you think the meaning of the scriptures are in MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says many do not know the meaning; either did the Scribes and Pharisees. Do you? What do they mean?
 

3rdAngel

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I posted a scripture by scripture interpretation. You only brushed it off. Here it is again.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;” Colossians 2:14 (KJV 1900)


“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” Colossians 2:16 (KJV 1900)

He has destroyed what was against us, a certificate of indebtedness expressed in decrees opposed to us. He has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.” Colossians 2:14 (NET)

Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days—” Colossians 2:16 (NET)

when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace,” Ephesians 2:15 (NET)

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God.” Romans 7:4 (NET)

I did indeed because it only shows you did not read the OP. Which addresses everything you are saying here in posts 2-6. You did not read it did you brother. How do you expect to have a conversatin on COLOSSIANS 2:16 when you did not read the OP that addresses everything you are claiming here?
 
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