Common Grace.....yes, or no...

[Iconoclast]

Van,

Yes, our ability to understand and respond to spiritual milk is a common blessing, but God can take it away, or we can through the practice of sin.

now...your unbiblical suggestion qualifies, and thus can be classified as twaddle.

If you are looking for truth and solid discussion, read the cut and paste portions, for twaddle....read your own dubious quotes...which you also cut and paste

 

[Van]

I see post 18 slipped in unnoticed. It mentions scripture. Hurray! But Christ did not die for angels, He laid down His life as a ransom for all mankind. So lots of non-germane verbiage.

Then Romans 2:4-6 is referenced. Here we learn God's kindness leads people to repentance. Others choose to continue to store wrath. They were not hardened by God's kindness, but by the practice of sin.

Then we have the misapplication of Matthew 18:34 The idea is for us to forgive others from our hearts, in response to being forgiven through the precious blood of Christ.

Finally we get this nonsense, if we are doomed today... the lost are doomed until God has mercy on those whose faith He credits as righteousness. As long as we are physically alive, God begs us, be reconciled.
Pay no attention to those who teach futility.

 

[Iconoclast]

Van

I see post 18 slipped in unnoticed. It mentions scripture. Hurray! But Christ did not die for angels, He laid down His life as a ransom for all mankind. So lots of non-germane verbiage.

Ah yes Twaddlemaster...when you read thru all the links you find the scriptures, but alas....for you...it seems that the true meaning consistently eludes you.

How can i make this claim??? let's look at Hebrews 2 for a second....

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

The "seed of Abraham"......NOT THE SEED OF ADAM, OR AS YOU PUT IT....ALL MANKIND....

With such a careless handling of the scripture, how could you possibly come to truth???

 

[Iconoclast]

"Van,

Finally we get this nonsense

,
yes...what you offer is nonsense

if we are doomed today... the lost are doomed until God has mercy on those whose faith He credits as righteousness.

men do not have inherent saving faith......God owes no man anything, God does not credit man for anything but his sin....your misuse of romans 4 does not change scripture......let me guess what is next????? can a wrong use of Mt 23 :13 be on the immediate horizon....folks?????
Maybe i could make money by inventing a BB GPS that would keep posters on topic, rather than let them wander off....or in the nautical language of hebrews 2....lest they drift by the safe harbor.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Does God show this grace to the non-elect because He loves them? Yes, God loved the world, all mankind, in this way, He gave is unique Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal like.

Did Christ purchase these common-grace blessings for all men through His sufferings and death? Common grace occurred before Christ died, so the blessing of mankind are a gift from God.

Is common grace

The following table summarizes this comparison.


The Recipients The Stimulus The Test The Effect
The Reprobate ......Earthly blessings Manifests their rebellion ........Hardens their hearts
The Elect...... Earthly afflictions ....Manifests their faith....... Conforms them to Christ

Look at Esau and Jacob and it is the best picture of this. Esau was blessed and did not seem to have a care in the world. Poor old Jacob...God beat Him to submission. God chastens them He loves.

 

[Van]

One post after another pushing unbiblical assertions. They deny God credits our faith as righteousness, Romans 4:4-5/24.

They deny Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6.

They seem to claim because Jesus is a descendant of Abraham, He is not a descendant of Adam? Thus they seem to deny Luke 3:23-38.

They jump from passage to passage, scrambling for something that provides support, but find once again there is no actual support, just assertions based on what scripture does not say.

 

[Iconoclast]

One post after another pushing unbiblical assertions. They deny God credits our faith as righteousness, Romans 4:4-5/24.

They deny Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6.

They seem to claim because Jesus is a descendant of Abraham, He is not a descendant of Adam? Thus they seem to deny Luke 3:23-38.

They jump from passage to passage, scrambling for something that provides support, but find once again there is no actual support, just assertions based on what scripture does not say.

Error streak ......still intact......you avoided what was posted, offered unrelated random thoughts....in a futile effort to derail another thread.....
It is not working....lol.....the folks have turned aside from your folly.

 

[Van]

Icon, no amount of "change the subject to Van" posts will alter the fact of your denial of scripture after scripture.

Romans 4:4-5/24 declares God does credit our faith as righteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 declares God's election for salvation is conditional, through faith in the Truth.
1 Timothy 2:6 declares Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all.

The M. O. is to deny then change the subject, "these aren't the droids you are looking for, move along.

 

[Iconoclast]

"Van,

Icon, no amount of "change the subject to Van" posts will alter the fact of your denial of scripture after scripture.

Correction....change the subject of Van's off topic posts.....

Romans 4:4-5/24 declares God does credit our faith as righteousness.

nope.....
3 for what doth the writing say? `And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him -- to righteousness;'

4 and to him who is working, the reward is not reckoned of grace, but of debt;

5 and to him who is not working, and is believing upon Him who is declaring righteous the impious, his faith is reckoned -- to righteousness:



Faith is the instrumentality .....It is granted to us by God.....we exercise it.

heb11;
8 By faith Abraham, being called, did obey, to go forth to the place that he was about to receive for an inheritance, and he went forth, not knowing whither he doth go;

2 Thessalonians 2:13 declares God's election for salvation is conditional, through faith in the Truth.

This passage speaks of individual election before the world was which you have a total inability to grasp! conditional......no......there is nothing in fallen man to merit anything.

1 Timothy 2:6 declares Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all.

The thread is about common grace...not a thread on a ransom.....off topic rambling again....

The M. O. is to deny then change the subject, "these aren't the droids you are looking for, move along.

more ...off topic twaddle,,, from the twaddlemaster

 

[SovereignGrace]

Icon, no amount of "change the subject to Van" posts will alter the fact of your denial of scripture after scripture.

Romans 4:4-5/24 declares God does credit our faith as righteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 declares God's election for salvation is conditional, through faith in the Truth.
1 Timothy 2:6 declares Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all.

The M. O. is to deny then change the subject, "these aren't the droids you are looking for, move along.

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[Van]

More personal attacks, which are logical fallacies. The nameless doctrine cannot be defended from scripture so they us logical fallacies.
They deny God credits our faith as righteousness.
They deny we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election.
They deny the ability of men of flesh to understand spiritual milk, a common grace.
Denial after denial after denial. What is left? Why find fault with Van.

 

[Iconoclast]

Please do this more...you ain't doing it enough. Your posts are proof of it.

The scripture speaks of those who turn from truth to fables.....ever learning but never able to come to truth.

 

[Van]

Yet another personal attack, another use of fallacy, another denial that the nameless doctrine seeks to nullify scripture after scripture.

Men of flesh can understand some spiritual things, spiritual milk. 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

We are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

 

[Yeshua1]

In a topic related but distinct from the vessels of wrath thread much discussion takes place over this topic. Have you studied this issue out, and what conclusion if any did you come to?

http://members.toast.net/puritan/Articles/CommonGrace.htm
Common Grace
by Mitch Cervinka
What if God,
although willing to demonstrate His wrath
and to make His power known,
endured with much patience
vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
Romans 9:22

The term "Common Grace" refers to the fact that, in this life, God treats all men, whether elect or not, far better than they deserve. He sends sunshine and rain upon both the wicked and the godly. It is called "common" because these blessings are given to elect and non-elect alike. It is called "grace" because these blessings are undeserved.
Although the basic concept seems simple enough, there are controversies surrounding some of the finer points of this doctrine. Does God show this grace to the non-elect because He loves them? Did Christ purchase these common-grace blessings for all men through His sufferings and death? Is common grace restricted to the material blessings that God gives to all men, or does it also encompass certain spiritual blessings as well?

Think that 'common grace" goid extends towards all would be due to the Cross of Christ being some limited benefit to even the unsaved, but there is not common grace in the sense that God gives to all people the same grace in order to get all saved....

 

[Van]

Y1, scripture please. Of the four soils, three did have the opportunity for salvation. The enemy, dear Brutus, is in ourselves.

 

[Iconoclast]

Y1, scripture please. Of the four soils, three did have the opportunity for salvation. The enemy, dear Brutus, is in ourselves.

Error streak ......still intact......you avoided what was posted, offered unrelated random thoughts....in a futile effort to derail another thread.....
It is not working....lol.....the folks have turned aside from your folly.

 

[Van]

More personal attacks, which are logical fallacies. The nameless doctrine cannot be defended from scripture so they use logical fallacies.
They deny God credits our faith as righteousness.
They deny we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election.
They deny the ability of men of flesh to understand spiritual milk, a common grace.
Denial after denial after denial. What is left? Why find fault with Van.

 

[Iconoclast]

More personal attacks, which are logical fallacies. The nameless doctrine cannot be defended from scripture so they use logical fallacies.
They deny God credits our faith as righteousness.
They deny we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election.
They deny the ability of men of flesh to understand spiritual milk, a common grace.
Denial after denial after denial. What is left? Why find fault with Van.

off topic, unbiblical ,another failed attempt to derail the thread.

 

[Van]

Let see, I addressed common grace, and Icon hurled personal attacks. You have got to love them, folks.

Common grace includes the ability of men of flesh to understand spiritual milk,1 Cor. 3:1-3.

We are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

 

[Iconoclast]

[QUOTE="Van,

Let see, I addressed common grace, and Icon hurled personal attacks. You have got to love them, folks.

you try and derail the threads,,,,that is not a personal attack...it is an observation.

Common grace includes the ability of men of flesh to understand spiritual milk,1 Cor. 3:1-3.

This denial of scripture is a deliberate falsehood and direct contradiction to scripture once again. romans 8:7

We are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

You false teaching is not believed by anyone. A works gospel cannot save, there is no condition that would make God a debtor to man.