-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Communion: does it matter if ......
- Thread starter Mikey
- Start date
Yes in our Baptist Church it mattered... Wine (we used Mogen David Concord Grape) and sisters made the unleavened bread... Brother Glen
If one cannot obtain unleavened bread and wine, then grape juice and leavened bread is acceptable. But out of respect to the importance of communion (fellowship with Jesus and all of God's people past, present, and future), we should make an effort to use the appropriate elements.
Dave G
Well-Known Member
Wine ( be careful, most commercially available wines are artificially "stimulated" to produce more alcohol than natural wine ever had, IMO ) and unleavened bread.
As I see it, if natural wine is not available, then "new wine" ( crushed purple grapes, with the juice then poured off into a glass ) or grape juice may be substituted.
Unleavened bread is not only a picture of purity in doctrine, but purity in general as well as the sinlessness of Christ.
One of my missions professors told me that they used potato chips and coke in one country. I dont remember which one
Anyways, they couldnt get the other stuff and chips and coke were highly prized.
I guess that they did what they could
Anyways, they couldnt get the other stuff and chips and coke were highly prized.
I guess that they did what they could
You could use popadoms, or water biscuits which are unleavened.
That depends on your view of the Supper. If you are a sacramentarian it probably makes no difference. If you believe it is symbolic it can't be anything other than wine and unleavened bread as no other substances can correctly symbolize his blood and body.
Grapejuice cannot symbolize His blood because grapejuice symbolizes the blood of wicked men in scripture.
Leavened bread cannot symbolize His body because leaven symbolizes sin in Scripture.
At the time Christ instituted the Lord's Supper the Jews used red wine mixed with three parts water and unleavened bread. That has been their consistent practice since. The Mishnah demonstrates this.
Mikey
Active Member
why should one try to obtain wine and unleavened bread? why is it important?
The wine and unleavened bread is symbolic of the blood and body of Jesus Christ... In our Sovereign Grace Baptist Church it mattered but saying that, it didn't become the the blood and body, it was a representation in symbolic form of the same... Brother Glen
We also were feet washing Baptist but that's another topic.
Because that is the only proper substances that can convey symbolically what it teaches. If you don't have unleavened bread and wine then the Supper should not be observed until you do. Unless, you reject it is a symbolic supper and it is a sacrament necessary to convey literal grace/salvation.
37818
Well-Known Member
Ideally it should be unfermented juice of the grape and unleavend bread. By reason Jesus refered to the passover drink as "drink of the fruit of the vine." Luke 22:18. Leaven is the fermentation of bread And at the passover the bread was to be unleavend.
But from the stand point it is symbolic - it would not be an essential.
But from the stand point it is symbolic - it would not be an essential.
No, for what only matters is if we are in spiritual communion/relationship with Jesus!
What?!
I thought you said you hold to The Confession!
30:3 "and bless the elements of bread and wine"
The Greek word for the bread used in communion is invariably artos. It means bread. Any sort of bread.
The word for 'unleavened bread' is azumos (c.f. Mark 14:1). It is not used in connection with the Lord's Supper. That doesn't mean that using unleavened bread is wrong; it just means it's unnecessary.
Our Pastor's son is gluten intolerant, so when he was in the church (he's moved away now) we used to give him gluten-free bread rather than insist on him having a belly-ache every time he took communion.
With regard to the wine, I would be happy with real wine, but one has to have care for those who may be recovering alcoholics (c.f. Romans 14:13). We use a non-alcoholic wine; whether it is fermented or not, I don't know. I think the key verse in all this is 1 Samuel 16:7b.
The word for 'unleavened bread' is azumos (c.f. Mark 14:1). It is not used in connection with the Lord's Supper. That doesn't mean that using unleavened bread is wrong; it just means it's unnecessary.
Our Pastor's son is gluten intolerant, so when he was in the church (he's moved away now) we used to give him gluten-free bread rather than insist on him having a belly-ache every time he took communion.
With regard to the wine, I would be happy with real wine, but one has to have care for those who may be recovering alcoholics (c.f. Romans 14:13). We use a non-alcoholic wine; whether it is fermented or not, I don't know. I think the key verse in all this is 1 Samuel 16:7b.
First, no such drink existed in biblical times as "unfermented" grape juice as fermentation began the very moment the grapes were crushed. Second, wine is the only possible drink that can symbolize the cleansing power of the blood as grape juice poured into a wound will infect you and kill you. Wine is the only drink that can symbolize joy. Finally, wine is the only drink ever used by Jews in the Passover in their entire history and Jesus used the common provisions for the Passover which was wine and unleavened bread.