Communism Expert on What’s Behind the Push for Open Borders

[Revmitchell]

Um since you do not know how to use the quote marks properly I cannot respond to your post. I don't feel like doing all that copying and pasting.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The media calls everyone on the right a white supremacist. Jason Kessler is a white supremacist according to the Left's over-broad definition of what a "white supremacist" is. I, myself, would fall under the mantle of "white supremacist" by the Left's definition and application of that term. So, I am really skeptical when the media throws terms like "white supremacist" around.

The phrases "alt-right" and "white nationalist" and white supremacist are all terms the Left uses to demonize Trump and Trump supporters. If you are patriotic, Christian, white, and you support Trump You are called a "Nazi" and you are called a white supremacist. It is just the Left's latest use of the race card to demonize people that don't hold to the Left's radical, Communist/Socialist vision for America.

Most people like Kessler are demonized as white supremacist because they push back against the anti-white rhetoric, anti-white propaganda and the demonization of conservatives that the Left has been engaging in at least the last half of Obama's administration and since the election of Trump. He is accused of setting up a Neo-Nazi rally and he is not a member of that organization.

Unfortunately, every media outlet follows the same script and reports the same information almost verbatim, it seems.

The media gets it wrong about everything. They got it wrong about Covington, Smollett, Russia collusion, and a number of other stories that they report on and then we find out they got it completely wrong. So I don't trust the mainstream media to accurately or truthfully report on anything, much less anyone they don't approve of. The mainstream media is in the back pocket of the Left and the Left is dishonest, racist, pro-terrorism, anti-America and anti-Christian. So if that is where you are getting your information from, it explains why your posts drip with flawed information, and baseless facts. Anyone who resorts to Wikipedia is not getting the truth.

If you belong to a group like "Proud Boys" like Kessler then you are a white supremacist.
Proud Boys

• The Proud Boys, founded by Gavin McInnes, are a right wing “fraternity” who present themselves as proponents of mainstream conservative values, but engage in extreme, often violent tactics to promote their agenda. The group is not cohesive and is highly decentralized.
• The Proud Boys abhor progressive policies, liberalism and what they call “political correctness,” regularly use violence in the form of street fights, and promote violence in speeches, podcasts, and videos.

 

[GoodTidings]

If you belong to a group like "Proud Boys" like Kessler then you are a white supremacist.
Proud Boys

• The Proud Boys, founded by Gavin McInnes, are a right wing “fraternity” who present themselves as proponents of mainstream conservative values, but engage in extreme, often violent tactics to promote their agenda. The group is not cohesive and is highly decentralized.
• The Proud Boys abhor progressive policies, liberalism and what they call “political correctness,” regularly use violence in the form of street fights, and promote violence in speeches, podcasts, and videos.

I really don't care about Kessler or the Proud Boys. What I am saying is that it is impossible to have a rational discussion with Liberals like you about white supremacy because your side routinely demonizes conservatives as "white supremacists" and Neo-Nazis. And that demonization was in full force BEFORE Charlottesville.

The fact is that we are being called racists during the Obama Administration for daring to oppose Obama's destructive policies.

Look at what posted: Based on some of what you posted, I would be a white supremacist because I oppose progressive policies. I oppose Liberalism, I oppose political correctness. Political correctness is nothing but tyranny with manners. I am very right wing. I don't engage in violence of any kind (except if I had to defend myself from physical harm). I don't riot, and I don't promote violence of any kind. But from an ideological standpoint, I, and others like me are labeled as "white supremacists" by those on the Left even if we don't engage in violence.

People like you make terms like "white supremacy" meaningless because in your ideology, anyone who doesn't support the LGBTQ agenda, who doesn't bow to the tyranny of the climate change prophets, who doesn't support abortion up to the day of birth, who doesn't support Medicare for all and other Socialist/Marxist programs put out by the Left, are "white supremacists," "misogynists," or any of an assortment of other derogatory terms put out by the Left.

Name calling is all you guys have. You cannot find where the Republican party or any mainstream conservative group has ever endorsed white supremacy or anyone associated with it. You have to find off-the-wall groups that most people have never heard of and hold them up as "conservative" or "right wing." You avoid the fact that these groups don't really reflect mainstream American conservatism because that would be honest. That would require integrity. That would require a certain kind of character that liberals simply don't possess. So you're constant appeal to fringe groups like Proud Boys is really dishonest and no thinking, intelligent, well-adjusted adult should take your posts seriously.

 

[just-want-peace]

I really don't care about Kessler or the Proud Boys. What I am saying is that it is impossible to have a rational discussion with Liberals like you about white supremacy because your side routinely demonizes conservatives as "white supremacists" and Neo-Nazis. And that demonization was in full force BEFORE Charlottesville.

The fact is that we are being called racists during the Obama Administration for daring to oppose Obama's destructive policies.

Look at what posted: Based on some of what you posted, I would be a white supremacist because I oppose progressive policies. I oppose Liberalism, I oppose political correctness. Political correctness is nothing but tyranny with manners. I am very right wing. I don't engage in violence of any kind (except if I had to defend myself from physical harm). I don't riot, and I don't promote violence of any kind. But from an ideological standpoint, I, and others like me are labeled as "white supremacists" by those on the Left even if we don't engage in violence.

People like you make terms like "white supremacy" meaningless because in your ideology, anyone who doesn't support the LGBTQ agenda, who doesn't bow to the tyranny of the climate change prophets, who doesn't support abortion up to the day of birth, who doesn't support Medicare for all and other Socialist/Marxist programs put out by the Left, are "white supremacists," "misogynists," or any of an assortment of other derogatory terms put out by the Left.

Name calling is all you guys have. You cannot find where the Republican party or any mainstream conservative group has ever endorsed white supremacy or anyone associated with it. You have to find off-the-wall groups that most people have never heard of and hold them up as "conservative" or "right wing." You avoid the fact that these groups don't really reflect mainstream American conservatism because that would be honest. That would require integrity. That would require a certain kind of character that liberals simply don't possess. So you're constant appeal to fringe groups like Proud Boys is really dishonest and no thinking, intelligent, well-adjusted adult should take your posts seriously.

All this is true, but, IMHO, the highlighted portion is due hundreds of "ATTABOY"s!! And the hardcore TDSers are masters at this style of diversion!! Not very successful anymore, but masters at the use of the tactic!!

 

[FollowTheWay]

I really don't care about Kessler or the Proud Boys. What I am saying is that it is impossible to have a rational discussion with Liberals like you about white supremacy because your side routinely demonizes conservatives as "white supremacists" and Neo-Nazis. And that demonization was in full force BEFORE Charlottesville.

The fact is that we are being called racists during the Obama Administration for daring to oppose Obama's destructive policies.

Look at what posted: Based on some of what you posted, I would be a white supremacist because I oppose progressive policies. I oppose Liberalism, I oppose political correctness. Political correctness is nothing but tyranny with manners. I am very right wing. I don't engage in violence of any kind (except if I had to defend myself from physical harm). I don't riot, and I don't promote violence of any kind. But from an ideological standpoint, I, and others like me are labeled as "white supremacists" by those on the Left even if we don't engage in violence.

People like you make terms like "white supremacy" meaningless because in your ideology, anyone who doesn't support the LGBTQ agenda, who doesn't bow to the tyranny of the climate change prophets, who doesn't support abortion up to the day of birth, who doesn't support Medicare for all and other Socialist/Marxist programs put out by the Left, are "white supremacists," "misogynists," or any of an assortment of other derogatory terms put out by the Left.

Name calling is all you guys have. You cannot find where the Republican party or any mainstream conservative group has ever endorsed white supremacy or anyone associated with it. You have to find off-the-wall groups that most people have never heard of and hold them up as "conservative" or "right wing." You avoid the fact that these groups don't really reflect mainstream American conservatism because that would be honest. That would require integrity. That would require a certain kind of character that liberals simply don't possess. So you're constant appeal to fringe groups like Proud Boys is really dishonest and no thinking, intelligent, well-adjusted adult should take your posts seriously.

You seem to think you know a lot about me but obviously you know very little. You claimed that the Charlottesville rally was organized by good people. I refuted that easily so you shift topics. I stated that the organizer was a member of the Proud Boys who are white supremacists and Neo-Nazi's. I simply disagree with your claim that "good people" organized this march and bad elements crashed the party. That wasn't the case.
That's what I have been discussing. You reply with gross overgeneralizations lashing out against me that don't follow from what I've said.
Try to stay on topic. Lose the unjustified generalization.

 

[GoodTidings]

You seem to think you know a lot about me but obviously you know very little.

I know enough to know that you have proven that you are good at posting from Wikipedia and that you are a slave to Liberal talking points and history revisionism.

You claimed that the Charlottesville rally was organized by good people. I refuted that easily so you shift topics.

No, I said that it was not originally organized by actual white supremacists and that its original purpose was to protest the removal of a Confederate statue.

I stated that the organizer was a member of the Proud Boys who are white supremacists and Neo-Nazi's.

And neither Kessler or the Proud Boys are Neo-Nazis. Again, that's nothing more than Liberal talking points. I am not endorsing either Kessler or the Proud Boys. I don't agree with them or their message, but Kessler was not a member of the Proud Boys when he organized the protest and not everyone who showed up to the rally were white supremacists. Kessler is a member of the Alt Right which is routinely accused by Liberals of being white supremacist.

My point is that the Left uses "white supremacist" to demonize everyone who supports Trump. So when they say that Kessler is a white supremacist, or whatever, it is a meaningless charge because they use it on everyone they disagree with. It was just like how the race card was used to demonize us when we disagreed with Obama and now you are using it the same way now. In Leftist speak, "white supremacist" is synonymous with "Trump supporter."

I simply disagree with your claim that "good people" organized this march and bad elements crashed the party. That wasn't the case.

That was not what I said. Perhaps you should gain some reading comprehension skills so that won't waste your time refuting arguments that were not raised.

What I said was that the rally was not organized by white supremacists and was not billed as a white supremacist rally, but that it was hijacked by actual white supremacists. That was the original reporting on the event. I said that TRUMP said there were good people on both sides of the conflict and he was trying to diplomatic in his response. At the time, he didn't have all of the facts about what had happened. Frankly, he was wrong because there are no good people in Antifa. They are the ones who made the event violent when they showed up to pick a fight. They are a group of fascist thugs. They were every bit as evil as the ACTUAL white supremacists that had hijacked the rally for their own nefarious purposes.

That's what I have been discussing. You reply with gross overgeneralizations lashing out against me that don't follow from what I've said.
Try to stay on topic. Lose the unjustified generalization.

I wasn't over generalizing at all. I captured the nature of you Liberals quite well.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I know enough to know that you have proven that you are good at posting from Wikipedia and that you are a slave to Liberal talking points and history revisionism.

No, I said that it was not originally organized by actual white supremacists and that its original purpose was to protest the removal of a Confederate statue.

And neither Kessler or the Proud Boys are Neo-Nazis. Again, that's nothing more than Liberal talking points. I am not endorsing either Kessler or the Proud Boys. I don't agree with them or their message, but Kessler was not a member of the Proud Boys when he organized the protest and not everyone who showed up to the rally were white supremacists. Kessler is a member of the Alt Right which is routinely accused by Liberals of being white supremacist.

My point is that the Left uses "white supremacist" to demonize everyone who supports Trump. So when they say that Kessler is a white supremacist, or whatever, it is a meaningless charge because they use it on everyone they disagree with. It was just like how the race card was used to demonize us when we disagreed with Obama and now you are using it the same way now. In Leftist speak, "white supremacist" is synonymous with "Trump supporter."

That was not what I said. Perhaps you should gain some reading comprehension skills so that won't waste your time refuting arguments that were not raised.

What I said was that the rally was not organized by white supremacists and was not billed as a white supremacist rally, but that it was hijacked by actual white supremacists. That was the original reporting on the event. I said that TRUMP said there were good people on both sides of the conflict and he was trying to diplomatic in his response. At the time, he didn't have all of the facts about what had happened. Frankly, he was wrong because there are no good people in Antifa. They are the ones who made the event violent when they showed up to pick a fight. They are a group of fascist thugs. They were every bit as evil as the ACTUAL white supremacists that had hijacked the rally for their own nefarious purposes.


I wasn't over generalizing at all. I captured the nature of you Liberals quite well.

You conservatives would follow anyone, and do anything behind your leader Trump. This link
Proud Boys, is to the Anti-Defamation League. They have been fighting anti-semitism for a long time. Now you disagree with them about anti semitistt groups like the Proud Boys.

 

[GoodTidings]

You conservatives would follow anyone, and do anything behind your leader Trump.

No that is not true. Most conservatives oppose Trump on his position on fire arms and they oppose his acceptance of the LGBTQ crowd. Many are very critical of Trump in other areas pertaining to immigration, but the difference is that while we disagree with Trump, our disagreement has never morphed into irrational hatred of Trump. We can support a president we disagree with. We support him because he is on the right track, and because he is far better than any of the feckless morons on the Democrat side who are running for president.

This link
Proud Boys, is to the Anti-Defamation League. They have been fighting anti-semitism for a long time. Now you disagree with them about anti semitistt groups like the Proud Boys.

I didn't say the Proud Boys were not anti-Semitic. I also said that I don't agree nor endorse the Proud Boys. I said they were not Neo-Nazis. You Liberals needs to reserve those terms for the actual groups they apply to and stop labeling everyone who you don't like as "Neo-Nazis."

You need to respond to what I say, not what you thinking I am saying. You apparently have some problems intellectually navigating that nuance.

 

[just-want-peace]

No that is not true. Most conservatives oppose Trump on his position on fire arms and they oppose his acceptance of the LGBTQ crowd. Many are very critical of Trump in other areas pertaining to immigration, but the difference is that while we disagree with Trump, our disagreement has never morphed into irrational hatred of Trump. We can support a president we disagree with. We support him because he is on the right track, and because he is far better than any of the feckless morons on the Democrat side who are running for president.

I didn't say the Proud Boys were not anti-Semitic. I also said that I don't agree nor endorse the Proud Boys. I said they were not Neo-Nazis. You Liberals needs to reserve those terms for the actual groups they apply to and stop labeling everyone who you don't like as "Neo-Nazis."

You need to respond to what I say, not what you thinking I am saying. You apparently have some problems intellectually navigating that nuance.

As I have repeatedly said, it is futile to expect a rational discussion from a rabid TDSer!! (The troll meter should be maxed!!)