Concerning the impossibility of a 1000 year earthly reign:

[robycop3]

More Scriptural proof that Jesus will reign 1K years on earth after His return, & mortals will still be here then:

Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Now, the saints will be with Jesus, & the camp of the saints will be in Jerusalem, so Jesus will be here as well.

 

[AustinC]

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

2Timothy 2:15

Revelation 20:1-10
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while. Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

From Ligonier:

The different millennial positions can be attributed in part to the highly symbolic nature of the language in Revelation. It can be difficult to know when to take the book figuratively and when to take it literally. Furthermore, Revelation 20:1–6 is the only passage in Scripture that deals with the millennial reign of Christ explicitly. Because the data is sparse, there is a greater propensity for divergence in interpretation because there is little else to directly confirm one’s view.

In the history of Christian theology, three major millennial views have been advocated. First is the premillennial view. This position holds that the one thousand years in Revelation should be read as an actual time designation, that when Christ returns He will reign over an earthly kingdom that will last for a literal one thousand years, after which the new heavens and earth will arrive.

The amillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 affirms a figurative view of the millennium. The entire period between the ascension and return of Christ is the millennium, which means that it is much longer than an actual one thousand years. Christ is ruling now over a spiritual kingdom that will be immediately consummated at His return, and the new heavens and earth will then be in place.

Finally, the postmillennial position agrees with amillennialism that the millennium will take place before the return of Jesus. However, postmillennialism holds that there will be a time of widespread peace and prosperity before Christ’s return that will result from the preaching of the gospel. Great numbers of people will be converted and society will be transformed, and then Jesus will return. This is different from amillennialism, which says things will mostly continue as they are until Christ returns, with the gospel spreading widely in some places and being resisted in others.

Good and godly Christians have differed over this matter, so it is difficult to hold any of these views too strongly. Whatever view one holds, what we must affirm is that Christ is ruling and reigning over the cosmos now. For He has been exalted to God’s right hand and must reign until all things are put under His feet (1 Cor. 15:25).

The Millennial Reign of Christ

 

[George Antonios]

The different millennial positions can be attributed in part to the highly symbolic nature of the language in Revelation.

And here we go, the oft repeated Roman Catholic/Gnostic canard that's a set-up for justifying unbelief. See #1 in my signature.

 

[canadyjd]

More Scriptural proof that Jesus will reign 1K years on earth after His return, & mortals will still be here then:

Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Now, the saints will be with Jesus, & the camp of the saints will be in Jerusalem, so Jesus will be here as well.

Since Christ is already on the earth, in this view, why does fire come down from God from heaven? I thought Jesus destroys the devil?

Or maybe the whole is symbolic?

thanks for the comment

peace to you

 

[George Antonios]

Since Christ is already on the earth, in this view, why does fire come down from God from heaven? I thought Jesus destroys the devil?

Or maybe the whole is symbolic?

thanks for the comment

peace to you

A) The heavenly Jerusalem (not to be confused with the new-but-earthly Jerusalem) is suspended over earth in heaven during the millennium during which time ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man

B) The fire does not come down during the millennial reign, but after it. And there's a process enacted thereafter:
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:

B') Have you never read that David temporarily leaves besieged Zion after first reigning over all Israel to fight the invading Philistines in the valley of Rephaim?

C) Moses was reigning as king (yes, king) over Israel when God brought down fire from heaven and consumed the rebels. So what if Christ is on earth what that happens?

Brother, you're grasping at straws in denying the literal millennial reign.

 

[37818]

I quoted Matthew 24 and 25, where Jesus very clearly reveals to us the judgement immediately follows His second coming.

So you suppose some how changes Revelation 20. I does not.

I have no problem reconciling those passages.

You cannot, because these passages in Matthew cannot be reconciled with a 1000 year earthly reign.

I have no problem between Matthew 24, Matthew 25, and the Revelation 20. We need to deal with specifics.

You are left with a dilemma. You must ignore the clear teaching of our Lord Jesus, that has been part of Christian orthodoxy for 2000 years, in favor of a misunderstanding of Rev 20, that has only infiltrated the church over the past 150 years or so.

Revelation 20 is first century NT.
As I said, we need to address specifics. For an example, Matthew 24:29 refers to a common event in Revelation 6:12.

 

[AustinC]

And here we go, the oft repeated Roman Catholic/Gnostic canard that's a set-up for justifying unbelief. See #1 in my signature.

Nah...
Your incapacity to understand covenant and prophetic poetry is all on you, not on the Roman Catholic church or gnosticism. It is you who has grabbed a "new" idea and ran with it. There is a reason the church historic has not believed as you do.

 

[George Antonios]

covenant and prophetic poetry

Mickey Mouse Donald Duck Bamboozlement.



Signature #1.

 

[AustinC]

Mickey Mouse Donald Duck Bamboozlement.
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Signature #1.

You merely show your ignorance George. I'm sorry you are bamboozled.

 

[George Antonios]

You merely show your ignorance George. I'm sorry you are bamboozled.

"Your incapacity to understand poetry is all on you".

 

[AustinC]

"Your incapacity to understand poetry is all on you".

Sure, as is yours. You still haven't addressed the fact that Revelation 20 does not end Jesus reign at 1000 years, it only ends the martyrs reign with Christ. Even if you were to take this extremely literal, you still couldn't claim a 1000 year reign of Christ. It's not stated in Revelation 20.

 

[robycop3]

Since Christ is already on the earth, in this view, why does fire come down from God from heaven? I thought Jesus destroys the devil?

Or maybe the whole is symbolic?

thanks for the comment

peace to you

Fire will come from heaven because God wills it. And Satan isn't destroyed; he's cast into the lake of fire. And no, it's literal, not symbolic.

 

[1689Dave]

You & the Jews have a BIG prob: JESUS IS THE MESSIAH ! 1

Now, Jehoiachin was the father of both Coniah & Salathiel, who IS in the genealogy, & was father of Zerubabbel. God dq'd Coniah from the throne, And nowhere is Zedekiah, Jehoiachin's nephew, who was appointed king by Nebuchadnezzar, included in the genealogy.

And God re-iterated His eternal dynasty promise to David when He told Jeremiah that He'd ALWAYS have descendants of David to be rulerS(plural) over Israelis.(Jer. 33:26) So, while Coniah was dq'd, dave's dynasty went on !

Jesus is the messiah. But he rules from heavenly Jerusalem as we discuss this. He will never rein from the earth. It is temporal to be consumed by fire. His reign is spiritual and eternal. You have a Pharisee's style, Jesus.

 

[1689Dave]

Rabbit trail.

Not at all. The rapture theory is the result of hallucinations from a "pentecostal" girl burning up with a fever. And you call that scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

2Timothy 2:15

If so, then you know when the world will end. Because the resurrection is on the last day. You are reading Pharisee style and not Christ style.

 

[1689Dave]

What did I explain? Jeconiah is a decendant of Solomon. Mary is a decendant of Nathan. That makes the difference.

Check their lineages. They both are related to Shealtiel and Zerubbabel (Matthew 1:12 or Luke 3:27).

 

[1689Dave]

Salathiel was Coniah's bro, & was NOT dq'd. Only Coniah was. And again, you're forgetting the genealogy written by Luke.

And, as a man, Jesus carried only Mary's blood. Joe was recognized as His father only for earthly purposes.

Luke and Matthew give the common ancestors of Jesus. Both related to Jeconiah.

 

[Yeshua1]

Not at all. The rapture theory is the result of hallucinations from a "pentecostal" girl burning up with a fever. And you call that scripture.

Many of the Ecf held to a form of premil, and many of them were taught by those who heard the Apostles, were they "deluded?"

 

[Alcott]

Let’s not derail this thread.

It ain't railed in the first place.

Start another thread if you want to debate OT sacrifices, the eternal fate of Rahab, or whether hell is eternal torment.

I don't want to debate them, I just want your Yes or No answers...your failure of which to answer, while you have answered other inductive posts, shows you are inconsistent in your biblical approach.

 

[Dave G]

There are two resurrections, both on the last day.

" And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection." ( Revelation 20:4-5 ). <------- First resurrection, followed by a thousand years. The rest of the dead do not live again until the thousand years are finished.

" And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. " ( Revelation 20:13-14 ). <------ Second resurrection, at the Judgment, after the thousand years are finished.

You honestly don't see that when you read it?