Confederate History Month

[Revmitchell]

Yep. Binary thinkers are worse than those who do no thinking at all.

Translation: Conservatives are not willing to make compromises by living in mythical gray areas so as to justify what ever feels good at the moment.

 

[quantumfaith]

"Many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.” (William James)

 

[go2church]

Just thinking...I am so glad Jesus was willing to break with the conservative party of the day.

Also thinking that when people are involved there are going to be grey areas because at best by the grace of God we are grey people. Case in point, what about children born in the United States but to undocumented parents? The children did nothing except be born. Do we round up American citizens to ship them off to with their parents to keep the family together violating the rights of an American citizen or let the parents stay even though they violated the citizenship laws? How about separating the family, not exactly family values there never mind who is going to take care of and pay for the children left behind?

Now enter the Christian mandate to love our neighbor, now how does that change how we respond to these situations? Are not even the undocumented our neighbor (not suggesting you think otherwise) of course they are. So does Christian mandate trump American law? If so how is avoiding American law square with obeying our leaders and leading quite lives?

Rounding them up and posting armed guards may sound good or even get someone elected, but it is far from actually dealing with the situation at hand.

It just isn't as neat and tidy as everyone would like it be, these are people we are dealing with.

 

[Revmitchell]

Just thinking...I am so glad Jesus was willing to break with the conservative party of the day.

Jesus was the standard not the Pharisees. The Pharisees were clearly the liberals.

Also thinking that when people are involved there are going to be grey areas because at best by the grace of God we are grey people. Case in point, what about children born in the United States but to undocumented parents? The children did nothing except be born. Do we round up American citizens to ship them off to with their parents to keep the family together violating the rights of an American citizen or let the parents stay even though they violated the citizenship laws? How about separating the family, not exactly family values there never mind who is going to take care of and pay for the children left behind?

The parents acted illegally. Much like a parent who commits any other crime. Should not criminals face the consequences simply because they have children?

Now enter the Christian mandate to love our neighbor, now how does that change how we respond to these situations? Are not even the undocumented our neighbor (not suggesting you think otherwise) of course they are. So does Christian mandate trump American law? If so how is avoiding American law square with obeying our leaders and leading quite lives?

Did Jesus ever suggest to ignore the law of the land in order to love someone. Or is scripture clear that we should obey authorities. Is the a biblical mandate that specifically says we are to let everyone cross our borders. Liberals like to use the catch all to love our neighbors for anything they want to justify. But it doesn't add up.

Rounding them up and posting armed guards may sound good or even get someone elected, but it is far from actually dealing with the situation at hand.

Pursuing criminals and and seeing that things are corrected is dealing with it quite well.

It just isn't as neat and tidy as everyone would like it be, these are people we are dealing with.

So we should let every other criminal out of jail based on your logic

 

[Robert Snow]

Jesus was the standard not the Pharisees. The Pharisees were clearly the liberals.

This is the most absurd thing you have ever posted. I know you blame liberals for ever ill in the world, but the Pharisees were the Jewish equivalent of the ultra right wing person, theologically. Don't allow your preconceived notions blind you to the truth.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is the most absurd thing you have ever posted. I know you blame liberals for ever ill in the world, but the Pharisees were the Jewish equivalent of the ultra right wing person, theologically. Don't allow your preconceived notions blind you to the truth.

The basis for the heretical "Jesus was a liberal" mantra is that Jesus was progressive or changed things. It was the Pharisees that changed things. Only the standard can be changed and the standard was Christ not the heresy of the pharisees. Christ was the Standard, Christ was the standard, Christ was the standard.

 

[Robert Snow]

The basis for the heretical "Jesus was a liberal" mantra is that Jesus was progressive or changed things. It was the Pharisees that changed things. Only the standard can be changed and the standard was Christ not the heresy of the pharisees. Christ was the Standard, Christ was the standard, Christ was the standard.

Not true, not true, not true!

 

[righteousdude2]

You Betcha....

Just thinking...I am so glad Jesus was willing to break with the conservative party of the day.

Also thinking that when people are involved there are going to be grey areas because at best by the grace of God we are grey people. Case in point, what about children born in the United States but to undocumented parents? The children did nothing except be born. Do we round up American citizens to ship them off to with their parents to keep the family together violating the rights of an American citizen or let the parents stay even though they violated the citizenship laws? How about separating the family, not exactly family values there never mind who is going to take care of and pay for the children left behind?

Now enter the Christian mandate to love our neighbor, now how does that change how we respond to these situations? Are not even the undocumented our neighbor (not suggesting you think otherwise) of course they are. So does Christian mandate trump American law? If so how is avoiding American law square with obeying our leaders and leading quite lives?

Rounding them up and posting armed guards may sound good or even get someone elected, but it is far from actually dealing with the situation at hand.

It just isn't as neat and tidy as everyone would like it be, these are people we are dealing with.

.... yes they are people. You are 100% correct.

But, they have broken our laws. There is no room for "bleeding heart liberals" in this nation. Their way of thinking is why this nation is broken.

If a man, woman, or, child has broken our laws. Taken advantage of our weakened state of mind. And, taken up living here. When they are caught, there should be no tears for their deportation.

True, we're dealing with people, but, NNE FORCED THEM TO COME TO AMERICA ILLEGALLY. That was a conscious choice, and I'm tired of being made to feel guilty because I think they deserve what they get when they're caught!

By the way... I was watching a video on the news the other night, and I watched as hundreds of illegals climbed a rope, over our border fence, and scattered - like cockroaches - into the dark night of the Arizona desert.

If that makes me a heartless, racist, than so-be-it. This madness, has to stop, and the sooner the better. Ask yourself this, go2church... will people get into heaven without the blood of Jesus covering their sin from their personal decision to repent and follow Him? I think not. There will be tons of people cast into hell by a righteous God. I'm sure that decision must make God's heart break with pain, but, He is a righteous God, who has established laws, and in the end, without Jesus, His grace will end. don't forget, it is but a "narrow path" to the "narrow gate". God is not kidding around when He tells all creation that sin separates them from Him, and if they don't repent, He has no recourse but to cast them into hell!

That is no different than this ridiculous argument over illegals invading our country. There should be a sad heart when they are caught and deported, but, they know what the law is, and the law is firm and just and will be applied when and where it needs to be applied. Enough, is enough! I'm tired of the government bending the laws when it comes to those who come here without following the path we've set before them to follow.

Those of us who are tired of being invaded, need to speak up, and stand up for the laws of this land, which are broken, not only by Mexicans, but, by people from nations all around this world.

 

[Robert Snow]

If a man, woman, or, child has broken our laws. Taken advantage of our weakened state of mind. And, taken up living here. When they are caught, there should be no tears for their deportation.

True, we're dealing with people, but, NNE FORCED THEM TO COME TO AMERICA ILLEGALLY. That was a conscious choice, and I'm tired of being made to feel guilty because I think they deserve what they get when they're caught!

By the way... I was watching a video on the news the other night, and I watched as hundreds of illegals climbed a rope, over our border fence, and scattered - like cockroaches - into the dark night of the Arizona desert.

If that makes me a heartless, racist, than so-be-it. This madness, has to stop, and the sooner the better.

Yes, at best this makes you sound like a heartless racist, especially the cockroach comparison. At worse, it exposes you as the racist you are, if indeed you are one!

 

[Revmitchell]

Not true, not true, not true!

So Christ was not the standard?

 

[Robert Snow]

So Christ was not the standard?

No, Christ was not the political standard of the Roman empire, nor was he considered the standard of the Jewish government during this time in history.

Now, Christ is the standard of righteousness and God's grace, but that's not what I was referring to, but you already knew this when you posted your remark!

 

[Revmitchell]

No, Christ was not the political standard of the Roman empire, nor was he considered the standard of the Jewish government during this time in history.

Now, Christ is the standard of righteousness and God's grace, but that's not what I was referring to, but you already knew this when you posted your remark!

You need to study your history better. Christ was the standard that the Pharisees changed. Their claim was that they were following God not setting up a secular government. But they changed the standard in liberal fashion.

 

[Robert Snow]

You need to study your history better. Christ was the standard that the Pharisees changed. Their claim was that they were following God not setting up a secular government. But they changed the standard in liberal fashion.

If this is your understanding of the Pharisees then you need to do some more study. Every thinking person knows that Jesus was the one going against the established norm in His day. Today, he would be looked on as a liberal. I know you hate that word, but that's the facts, like them or not.

 

[Revmitchell]

If this is your understanding of the Pharisees then you need to do some more study. Every thinking person knows that Jesus was the one going against the established norm in His day. Today, he would be looked on as a liberal. I know you hate that word, but that's the facts, like them or not.

No...it is a myth created by liberals to justify their twisting of scripture. The so called "established norm of His day" was not the true standard. The "established norm of His day" was the liberal view because Christ was the only true standard. Christ just pointed them to the already established truth. He is the standard not man made "established norms of the day".

 

[go2church]

Wow and wow! That you think Jesus was a conservative and the Pharisees the liberals shows you care nothing about what the Bible actually says and are blinded by your political ideology which clearly is more important to you then what Jesus actually said and did.

You are ridiculous beyond word thinking yourself to wise.

 

[Revmitchell]

Wow and wow! That you think Jesus was a conservative and the Pharisees the liberals shows you care nothing about what the Bible actually says and are blinded by your political ideology which clearly is more important to you then what Jesus actually said and did.

You are ridiculous beyond word thinking yourself to wise.

Awww...now you have gone and hurt my feelings. What your post shows is you do not know what the true standard is or what standard the Pharisees were defending.

 

[windcatcher]

Whatever your take is on the states' rights issue, the slavery connotations are there, and it was a horrible injustice on behalf of our country.

WC
You think so or do you know so? There's a difference. Research the facts before you 'know so'.

And the individual who said Confederate History Month would balance out Black History Month needs to rethink that position. I am a teacher who believes African-American students need to know about their history and where they came from.

WC
But who is writing this history? Who wrote it in the past? Who is writing it in the present? (Hint: Those in power control the writing of their history. History of war is written by those who win. It is written to impress; to justify their position; to elevate their position as right; to further humiliate and denigrate the enemy as wrong; It is written to hide 'the sins' of the winner... the strong'.... while revealing and magnifying 'the sins' of the enemy.) Is it balanced and fair and does it give the whole picture or is it a composite of incomplete information presented to bias opinion and impression?

The rest of us need to know it because it's world history and it helps us keep our view of the U.S. in perspective. It reminds us we've done some pretty bad things. Maybe we don't need the whole month, but it needs to be taught.

Such is the history of the Civil War.
Such is the history of the blacks.
Such is the history of our nation.
Such is the history of the world.
Man writes his own history.
Man's heart is not right.
Man justifies and condemns according to his own judgement which is incapable of presenting an even and balanced historical account.
Man promotes his own version of history through those accounts which receive popular promotion (to the victor go the spoils)...... and it is taught to others by teachers who are not scholars: For if they had been scholars, they would not teach only from the text which they are given... but would be aware of the bias contained in the content.... and at the very least created in their students the expectation, the awareness, the thirst for a more correct or critical understanding, instead of accepting the tool (textbook) as the authority or failure to admit their own limitations (not enough time to research... inadequate availability of documents, etc.) and allow the students to 'finish' with questions in their minds instead of thinking they have all the answers.





Do you know.... there's only one history book I feel confident to trust....



The Bible:

It makes it clear.....
What God said
to whom it was said
when it applied
how it was followed or not
obediance or rebellion
the honest appraisal of outcome.

 

[jaigner]

Okay, Rev. and wind. Thanks for enlightening us with the true gospel of the red, white and blue.

And I teach music to little kids. Without text. And I teach them to be respectful of all cultures, and that they all have dignity, even the ones who have 3 brothers from 3 different fathers and eat from a convenience store or McDonald's and watch their mom stick needles in between her toes every day.

And I'm pretty sure the Bible has something to say about it.

 

[windcatcher]

If this is your understanding of the Pharisees then you need to do some more study. Every thinking person knows

WC
Really? Every? Not every person who thinks is sure he knows... he is wise 'cause he keeps searching and asking questions until he is confident that he knows. Most people 'who know' don't bother with thinking any more.... and many have reverted to being fools, and many never did 'know' but accepted that which is popularly taught or opined as fact.

that Jesus was the one going against the established norm in His day.

WC
What were the 'established norms' of his day? Where or by who's authority did those 'norms' become 'established'..... ?

Today, he would be looked on as a liberal. I know you hate that word, but that's the facts, like them or not.

(Maybe YOU need to define 'liberal'????)


If you look at this correctly and study it.....RS....
You will realize that the Pharisee's
ruled the religious public
asserted their authority and judgements upon the people
claimed their authority came from God
(does claiming it make it true... I ask you?)
Taught less from the scriptures and more from the traditions of men
They were politically correct and spiritually compromised.
(and this is happening today..... but because most are mindless participants.... we fail to recognize the difference.)

Jesus taught from the scriptures.
The very history (HIS- STORY) in the OT, which were their own accounts.... were evident in his life and teachings....
So then, he was actually more fundamental than any of them had ever dreamed nor could they tolerate because it broke in contrast with their liberal religious teachings and practices.... more politically correct.... more 'tradition' than literal scripture.

He used parables to teach what was already in the scriptures but which wasn't being taught. He was not politically correct.... but neither did he concern himself with their present existant government under Roman rule. He called it as he saw it: unjust weights; acceptability of blemished sacrifices; lip-service and patronage to Roman rulers with politically correct positioning while harboring resentment in their hearts; teaching the people hope that messiah would come without preparing the people or even being prepared themselves and watchful for those signs that he had come; presenting themselves as spiritual, pious and exacting with public show... they were, in fact, materialistic and secular and opportunistic in their thoughts and behaviors, showing little or no acquaintance or relationship with the God which they, with great pretense, were supposed to reveal to the people. They secularize the spiritual walk instead of bring spiritual into the secular walk of their day. Yes, in contrast to them, Jesus was a revoluntionary.... but not in the liberal sense and not with the violent connotations we would tend to think of in those terms.


Just where are we in all of this?
Could it be that we are doing much the same today as the Pharisees did in their day?

 

[Revmitchell]

Okay, Rev. and wind. Thanks for enlightening us with the true gospel of the red, white and blue.

And I teach music to little kids. Without text. And I teach them to be respectful of all cultures, and that they all have dignity, even the ones who have 3 brothers from 3 different fathers and eat from a convenience store or McDonald's and watch their mom stick needles in between her toes every day.

And I'm pretty sure the Bible has something to say about it.

Does anyone know what this guy is talking about?