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Charlie24

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Jesus didn’t say symbolic food and symbolic drink, but real food and real drink.

I believe it because Jesus said it, not because I understand it.

You rationalise this as symbolic but only faith will bear you over, the singularity of Faith is the eye of the needle, the way is narrow, very narrow.

Forget human rationalisations, believe Jesus words.

“ To whom shall we go, you have the words of everlasting life “

Do not believe only what you understand, believe it because Jesus said it. This is “ Faith ”.

The Scripture says in Mat. 26:28,

"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins".

The cup is to serve as a symbol of His shed blood at Calvary.

The only way we can enter into the New Covenant.
 

Cathode

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The Scripture says in Mat. 26:28,

"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins".

The cup is to serve as a symbol of His shed blood at Calvary.

The only way we can enter into the New Covenant.

“ Unless you eat the flesh of The Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you “

“ Take this all of you and eat it, this is my Body “

“ Take this all of you and drink of it, this is the cup of my blood “

Jesus flesh is real food and His blood is real drink.

Believe this if you say you have “ Faith “.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
“ Unless you eat the flesh of The Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you “

“ Take this all of you and eat it, this is my Body “

“ Take this all of you drink of it, this is the cup of my blood “

Jesus flesh is real food and His blood is real drink.

Believe this if you say you have “ Faith “.

I have faith that transubstantiation is foolishness.
 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
I have faith that transubstantiation is foolishness.

No, you rationalise, which is carnal, earth bound.

“ How can this man give us his flesh to eat? “

“ This man “ isn’t just a “ man “, this is the Truth Incarnate.

Once you understand this you believe in Faith.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
No, you rationalise, which is carnal, earth bound.

“ How can this man give us his flesh to eat? “

“ This man “ isn’t just a “ man “, this is the Truth Incarnate.

Once you understand this you believe in Faith.

I know, I'm a Protester bound for Hell. What would I possibly know about the Holy Bible.
 

Ben1445

Active Member
Jesus didn’t say symbolic food and symbolic drink, but real food and real drink.

I believe it because Jesus said it, not because I understand it.

You rationalise this as symbolic but only faith will bear you over, the singularity of Faith is the eye of the needle, the way is narrow, very narrow.

Forget human rationalisations, believe Jesus words.

“ To whom shall we go, you have the words of everlasting life “

Do not believe only what you understand, believe it because Jesus said it. This is “ Faith ”.
Jesus teaches on the eating of His flesh and drinking his blood. And He does teach that it is not physically eaten.
But the unstable wrest the Scripture to their own hurt and rely on false doctrine that Jesus clearly said was a spiritual teaching.

John 6
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”

Clearly Jesus said that the flesh profited nothing. That the teaching is a spiritual teaching and not physical.

And are you telling us that like Korah we are about to be swallowed up by the earth?
 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
I know, I'm a Protester bound for Hell. What would I possibly know about the Holy Bible.

No, where there is life there is Hope. The Bible is the truth and salvific if you understand it correctly and believe.
Jesus Words in particular.

Jesus has the words of everlasting life.
 

Ben1445

Active Member
What you aren’t getting is that Jewish “hymns” and the psalms are chanted and they still are chanted today.


Chant is a huge part of Israelite worship from ancient times, and was used in the Temple worship.
I don’t wonder anymore why Jesus told them not to use vain repetitions.
 

Walter

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Yet there is absolutely nothing in the bible that suggests that the early church leaders would have dressed in special clothing that marked them out if it were not for persecution. Besides, it wasn't only the church leaders who were persecuted:

“Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the
lol, I grew up in Baptist churches where the pastor's wore anything but 'ordinary clothes'. In fact, those expensive suits white dress shoes (always white in those days, especially evangelists) probably costs more than the vestments of liturgical churches. It was often the object of humor in my Baptist university the degree that pastor's or evangelist would go to present themselves impeccably dressed 'on stage'.

synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.” (Ac 9:1-2 NKJV)

Church leaders who wear similar clothing to other church members today are not doing so to avoid persecution.

Well, Strong's Concordance has this for the word translated "hymns":

"5214. ὑμνέω humneo [hoom-neh’-o]; from 5215; to hymn, i.e. sing a religious ode; by implication, to celebrate (God) in song: — sing a hymn (praise unto)."

Other, than to sing some hymns before 'the message' and altar call, being led in some repetitive 'guide and direct' prayers, I was a spectator with very limited opportunities for participation. Most Baptist churches I have attended since becoming Catholic seem to be trying to entertain the dwindling congregations.
 

Ben1445

Active Member
lol, I grew up in Baptist churches where the pastor's wore anything but 'ordinary clothes'. In fact, those expensive suits white dress shoes (always white in those days, especially evangelists) probably costs more than the vestments of liturgical churches. It was often the object of humor in my Baptist university the degree that pastor's or evangelist would go to present themselves impeccably dressed 'on stage'.



Other, than to sing some hymns before 'the message' and altar call, being led in some repetitive 'guide and direct' prayers, I was a spectator with very limited opportunities for participation. Most Baptist churches I have attended since becoming Catholic seem to be trying to entertain the dwindling congregations.
I can understand your aversion to these types of churches. But that doesn’t make the Catholic dress and worship right.
 

Walter

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I don’t wonder anymore why Jesus told them not to use vain repetitions.
Hmmm, Jesus used this very prayer as His preface to presenting His answer to the question as to what is the greatest commandment yet you mock it?

Question, how about the hymn: King Of My Heart'? 'Your a good good Father, that's who You are, who You are, who You are, that's who you are. . . .' Sung over and over and over (16 times) in countless evangelical churches. Is that 'vain repetition' or can that be authentic prayer/worship?

This is just one example. I can present many examples of repetitive songs being sung in Baptist churches all the time.
 
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Ben1445

Active Member
Hmmm, Jesus used this very prayer as His preface to presenting His answer to the question as to what is the greatest commandment yet you mock it?
I am not mocking it. To presume that a certain order of words is a bandage for all your problems is faulty.
Ironically, right after Jesus said this,

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Jesus said, “after this manner pray ye.” He then gave a model of prayer. An example of prayer and not a prayer to become the most vain repetition in the history of the church. This is also included in Scripture. I don’t mock the Scriptures. I do see problems with people who believe in the magic order of words.

Question, how about the hymn 'Your a good good Father, that's who You are, who You are, who You are, that's who you are. . . .' Sung over and over and over in countless evangelical churches. Is that 'vain repetition' or can that be authentic prayer/worship?

This is just one example. I can present many examples of repetitive songs being sung in Baptist churches all the time.
Well, I can say that I don’t appreciate seven eleven songs (7 words, 11times) and we don’t sing them. And I have never heard that song.
Yes, I consider that also to be vain repetitions.
 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
Jesus teaches on the eating of His flesh and drinking his blood. And He does teach that it is not physically eaten.
But the unstable wrest the Scripture to their own hurt and rely on false doctrine that Jesus clearly said was a spiritual teaching.

Rationalising Jesus words is not the same as believing Jesus words. Rationalising is the opposite of believing, the opposite of Faith.

Faith is the key, Faith goes beyond human reasoning.

Jesus flesh is real food and His blood is real drink.

Believe it because Jesus said it.

John 6
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”

Clearly Jesus said that the flesh profited nothing. That the teaching is a spiritual teaching and not physical.

“But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. “

And are you telling us that like Korah we are about to be swallowed up by the earth?

You are being swallowed up by earth bound human rationalisations, trust Jesus words and soar the heights of Faith.
 
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