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Cathode

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Yes!

I read the following commentary: 'John describes the heavenly worship in these terms: “The twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” (Rev. 5:8). The angels also play a role in bringing our prayers to God: “The smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God” (Rev. 8:4). If intercession among members of the body of Christ on earth is “good and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior” (1 Tim. 2:1–4), how would such behavior not also be pleasing to God in heaven?'

It was God that desired incense, it was He who desired to be worshipped this way.

“he shall burn incense on it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations.”

The Gentiles will offer incense and pure offerings as prophecy.

'I have no pleasure in you, saith the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices at your hands: for, from the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same, My name has been glorified among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to My name, and a pure offering: for My name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord: but ye profane it.' He then speaks of those Gentiles, namely us, who in every place offer sacrifices to Him, i.e., the bread of the Eucharist, and also the cup of the Eucharist, affirming both that we glorify His name, and that you profane . Justin Martyr 155 ad dialogue with Trypho the Jew

Catholics fulfilled this prophecy of Malachi.
 

Cathode

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Every day of my life in the Lord is a new day, and every new day I ask the Lord, what will you have me do today to bring praise and honor to You?

I can't do it lighting candles around statues and going into a trance of gibberish.

I do it by keeping myself close to Him through prayer and reading His Word.

Looking for the opportunity He gives me at any given time to bring praise and honor to Him.

I get caught up in life just as everyone else, but He has my heart, and that's where He goes to reach me.

“Let my prayer arise in Thy sight as incense” Psalm 141:2

We engage our entire being and senses in prayer and worship, throughout the calendar.

How could it be said, let my prayer rise as incense, unless there were veritable incense ? Do you even know what frankincense is, do you even know what it smells like?

It smells like the Temple of God where it was burnt in perpetuity.

It was laid out before the Divine Infant as a worship offering.

“ Taste and see that The Lord is Good “

Engage all your senses in prayer and worship, your whole being.

Do not confine your prayer and worship to a dry intellectual exercise alone. It’s like only reading the menu and not ordering and tasting the food.

Engage your whole being.
 

Charlie24

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“Let my prayer arise in Thy sight as incense” Psalm 141:2

We engage our entire being and senses in prayer and worship, throughout the calendar.

How could it be said, let my prayer rise as incense, unless there were veritable incense ? Do you even know what frankincense is, do you even know what it smells like?

It smells like the Temple of God where it was burnt in perpetuity.

It was laid out before the Divine Infant as a worship offering.

“ Taste and see that The Lord is Good “

Engage all your senses in prayer and worship, your whole being.

Do not confine your prayer and worship to a dry intellectual exercise alone. It’s like only reading the menu and not ordering and tasting the food.

Engage your whole being.

If you want to practice the Law, go ahead!

That Psalm is referring to the morning and evening sacrifices with the incense offered at the Golden Alter.

The "evening sacrifice" was at 3pn, the same time Christ died on the Cross.
 

Cathode

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If you want to practice the Law, go ahead!

That Psalm is referring to the morning and evening sacrifices with the incense offered at the Golden Alter.

The "evening sacrifice" was at 3pn, the same time Christ died on the Cross.

The Gentiles of the New Covenant will offer incense, mingled with their prayers.

Which is what Catholics do, fulfilling Malachi and Revelation.
 

Charlie24

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The Gentiles of the New Covenant will offer incense, mingled with their prayers.

Which is what Catholics do, fulfilling Malachi and Revelation.

The Gentiles have nothing to do with the literal incense burning, the Law was never given to them.

Malachi is making the prediction of the Gentiles being saved in Acts 10, referring to prayer and praise for salvation.
 

Charlie24

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The Gentiles have nothing to do with the literal incense burning, the Law was never given to them.

Malachi is making the prediction of the Gentiles being saved in Acts 10, referring to prayer and praise for salvation.

It's pagan worshiping, but have at it if you like! I'll have no part in it!
 

Cathode

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The Gentiles have nothing to do with the literal incense burning, the Law was never given to them.

Malachi is making the prediction of the Gentiles being saved in Acts 10, referring to prayer and praise for salvation.

That’s not what the scripture says, you are replacing God’s words with your own.

“and in every place incense is offered to My name, and a pure offering: for My name is great among the Gentiles”

In every place incense is offered to God with our prayers in the Catholic Church.

It fulfils God’s prophecy in Malachi and Revelation. In Spirit and in Truth.
 

Charlie24

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That’s not what the scripture says, you are replacing God’s words with your own.

“and in every place incense is offered to My name, and a pure offering: for My name is great among the Gentiles”

In every place incense is offered to God with our prayers in the Catholic Church.

It fulfils God’s prophecy in Malachi and Revelation. In Spirit and in Truth.

You can see it any way you like, Cathode. If you want to observe the ceremonies of the Law that was never meant for you being a Gentile, then you can explain that to God when you meet Him.
 

Charlie24

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You can see it any way you like, Cathode. If you want to observe the ceremonies of the Law that was never meant for you being a Gentile, then you can explain that to God when you meet Him.

Christ fulfilled the Law in it's entirety, Cathode.

We are to observe Him and the commandments in the New Covenant.

Not what He's already fulfilled that represented Him.
 

Cathode

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Christ fulfilled the Law in it's entirety, Cathode.

We are to observe Him and the commandments in the New Covenant.

Not what He's already fulfilled that represented Him.

Jesus is “The Light of the world “ in fulfilling the Law.

In lighting candles we honour Jesus and offer our prayers.

Lighting candles honours God’s Word.

“Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.”

You have had your Lampstands removed from your worship.

You do not offer Incense to Him with your prayers.
 

Charlie24

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Jesus is “The Light of the world “ in fulfilling the Law.

In lighting candles we honour Jesus and offer our prayers.

Lighting candles honours God’s Word.

“Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.”

You have had your Lampstands removed from your worship.

You do not offer Incense to Him with your prayers.

Our prayers are the incense as I've shown you in Rev. 5:8.

All the ceremonies in the Law represented Christ in some way, they were shadows of what was to come, Jesus Christ.

In this particular act of incense burning, the representation is the prayers of the saints.

God wasn't literally smelling the incense, He was savoring the prayers the incense represented.
 

Charlie24

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Our prayers are the incense as I've shown you in Rev. 5:8.

All the ceremonies in the Law represented Christ in some way, they were shadows of what was to come, Jesus Christ.

In this particular act of incense burning, the representation is the prayers of the saints.

God wasn't literally smelling the incense, He was savoring the prayers the incense represented.

If it's any consolation for you, Cathode, the incense burning will be reinstated with sacrifices in the Feast of Tabernacles in the Kingdom Age for 1000 years. Both Ezekiel and Zechariah tell us this, but it won't be Gentiles that do it, it will be the Jewish priesthood reinstated that will conduct all the ceremonies.
 

Cathode

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Our prayers are the incense as I've shown you in Rev. 5:8.

All the ceremonies in the Law represented Christ in some way, they were shadows of what was to come, Jesus Christ.

In this particular act of incense burning, the representation is the prayers of the saints.

God wasn't literally smelling the incense, He was savoring the prayers the incense represented.

The Incense is offered with the prayers of the saints. Like Catholics do.

“And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.” Revelation 8:3.
 

Charlie24

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The Incense is offered with the prayers of the saints. Like Catholics do.

“And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.” Revelation 8:3.

And the Gentiles had nothing to do with the offering of incense.
 

Charlie24

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And the Gentiles had nothing to do with the offering of incense.

The biggest problem, and there are many, with the RCC is that they believe they are the one and only true Church.

They will not accept that the true Church is all who are in Christ from all denominations in the world.

"The Gentiles will be great" is referring to the New Testament Church which is almost entirely Gentile, with a small remnant of Jews.

Malachi was prophesying of this time in the New Testament when the Gentile Church would be great.

The incense burning in the Old Covenant was the shadow of the "prayers of the saints" in the New Testament.

That is what Malachi was prophesying.
 

David Lamb

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Jesus is “The Light of the world “ in fulfilling the Law.

In lighting candles we honour Jesus and offer our prayers.

Lighting candles honours God’s Word.

“Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.”

You have had your Lampstands removed from your worship.

You do not offer Incense to Him with your prayers.
Jesus certainly is the Light of the world, and God's word is indeed a lamp to our feet and a light to our path, but we are not told to honour Jesus by lighting candles, or God's word by lighting lamps. Jesus also said, "I am the door," but we don't see that as a reason for shutting and opening doors as part of our worship.
 
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