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Constitution changes at my IFB church:

Martin Marprelate

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My IFB church has but a few "constitutional " rules:

1.) The BIBLE is the highest source of authority in our church til Jesus returns.
I would sooner say that the Bible is the sole source of authority until then. If it were my church I would also want something saying what we believe the Bible actually teaches.
2. ) No man-made doctrines of worship & faith, nor man-made rules of worship are accepted. This includes "regenerational baptism", "name it/claim it", the KJVO myth, no pants on women, no tattoos, no long hair on men, & all the other man-made "isms" that Satan has invented to pollute Christianity. One's use of alcohol, tobacco, etc. are between that person and GOD.
Yep! :)
3.) EVERYONE is accepted! For a Christian, one's past sins before he/she became a Christian are not held against him/her by us, any more than JESUS holds them against anyone who comes to Him. If any member "strays", but confesses his/her sin, he/she is welcomed back as the "prodigal son" of Jesus' parable was. Again, that person's actual repentance is between that person and GOD.
Yep again!
'The vilest offender who truly believes,
That moment from Jesus a pardon receives.'

However, someone has rightly said that a Minister who falls into sin cannot be reinstated until his repentance becomes as well-known in the community as his former sin. I heard a great talk on this given by Art Azurdia based on Peter's reinstatement by the Lord Jesus in John 21:15ff.
 

robycop3

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Whoa boy....those are slippery slopes indeed brother....:Thumbsup

1. The perfect, complete an inerrant Word as authoritative - Amen! Because really, what else do we have?

2. "No man-made doctrines of worship & faith, nor man-made rules of worship are accepted...." Man-made doctrines tend to lead to pharisaicalism where one tries to be more holy than the Holy Scriptures, which is of course impossible. So that tends to manifest itself as trying to appear more holy than your brother.

3. "EVERYONE is accepted! For a Christian, one's past sins before he/she became a Christian are not held against him/her by us, any more than JESUS holds them against anyone who comes to Him." Because if this were not so, we are all lost and to be most pitied. Paul was an accomplice to murder, and put Christians in prison to be executed before his conversion! Funny that the constitutions of many churches would exclude the man who wrote most of the New Testament.

Also, this is important: the very idea that Christ's sacrifice was not sufficient for those who believe in Him...that is a lie of the devil and from the pits of hell. It attempts to minimize the work of the Living God in the salvation of His people, and is in direct conflict with the Word of God on the matter.

2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new"

Galatians 6:15 "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

Slopes aint a bit slippery. We simply don't accept any doctrine of faith/worship not found in Scripture.

2 Cor. 11:3[colot=red]But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[/color]

And the thing that corrupts one's mind toward Jesus the quickest is a man-made doctrine! That includes stupid rules of worship not found in Scripture. Just as Jesus scolded some Pharisees over their MAN-MADE hand-washing rule, we so scold those who try to force such stuff upon us.

And oh,yes, we observe only two ceremonies: Communion several times a year, and foot-washing wtice a year as weather permits.

We believe in K.I.S.S.

K eep
I t
S imple,
S tupid!
 

supersoldier71

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Slopes aint a bit slippery. We simply don't accept any doctrine of faith/worship not found in Scripture.

2 Cor. 11:3[colot=red]But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[/color]

And the thing that corrupts one's mind toward Jesus the quickest is a man-made doctrine! That includes stupid rules of worship not found in Scripture. Just as Jesus scolded some Pharisees over their MAN-MADE hand-washing rule, we so scold those who try to force such stuff upon us.

And oh,yes, we observe only two ceremonies: Communion several times a year, and foot-washing wtice a year as weather permits.

We believe in K.I.S.S.

K eep
I t
S imple,
S tupid!
I was being facetious.:)

The only slopes that are slippery to us are when we aren't standing on the Rock.

Too far one way and we slide into liberalism.

Go the opposite way and we find ourselves in pharisaicalism.
 

Van

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I've been invited to participate in the committee to revise and update our church's constitution, and there are some significant issues that we must address.

The first is that we are establishing the position of "elder", and we wish to do so in accordance with biblical guidance. Currently, our deacons, of which I am one serve in many of the capacities that are prescribed for elders particularly in Titus. Currently serving deacons are not precluded from being nominated and selected to serve as elders once, if and when the change is approved by the congregation. I do not anticipate much if any pushback from the congregation on this matter.

Second, the constitution as currently written requires that all men who serve be the husband of only one wife, and our church defines that as never having been divorced, before or after salvation, and for any reason (1 Titus 3:2). On the surface, I don't take issue with this directive, because I too am wary of so-called pastors who have been divorced multiple times while in the pulpit. No go!

The flip side of that coin is that I am uncomfortable with any point of view that implies that the blood of Christ was insufficient to address sin.

There will be push back from within the committee, I expect, and certainly from within the congregation, and while I believe their concerns to be valid, I do not think that our current standard is in accordance with biblical guidance. I am certainly willing to be convinced otherwise.

Third: our constitution currently prohibits everyone who performs any sort of official duties within the church from all consumption of alcoholic (and tobacco) products. While there is much biblical guidance, both explicit and implicit regarding drunkenness, a do not see a strict prohibition as being in line with what the Bible teaches us.

I'd very much like to hear your opinions on any or all of the three points.

Great opening post!! My response addresses the opening post and does not address any of the follow-on posts.

Clarity is a key for constitutional changes. You could make a change for one purpose, and because of vagueness, the change could then be used for a different purpose.

1) To whom does the Elder or Elders report to? Must they report to the membership quarterly? Are they accountable to the membership. Can the membership remove them from office by a simple majority vote. Otherwise leadership can usurp power unto itself.

2) Are Elders nominated by the Deacon/Elder board and then confirmed initially and periodically (every 3 years) by the membership.

3) Which decisions must be approved by the membership, such as real estate transactions?

4) Disqualifying behavior, prior to professing salvation should not be held against believers after a period of years (3?) subsequent to professing salvation, but disqualifying behavior subsequent to professing salvation should apply for at least 3 years, and at the discretion of the membership, could be considered a permanent disqualification.

5) Your qualification requirements for your church can be established by your membership. Since smoking and drinking set an example that could cause some to stumble, the Bible allows for requiring your leadership to abstain from substance dependence.
Hopefully you will not include soda and coffee in your list.
 

Wesley Briggman

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The word "pastor" is found precisely one time in the KJV. In Jeremiah.

The plural, pastors, occurs numerous times:
Jer 2:8 KJV - The priests said not, Where [is] the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after [things that] do not profit.
Jer 3:15 KJV - And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Jer 10:21 KJV - For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
Jer 12:10 KJV - Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.
Jer 22:22 KJV - The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness.
Jer 23:1-2 KJV - Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. 2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

The KJV translates Strong's G1985 in the following manner: bishop (6x), overseer (1x). =Pastor.

The KJV translates Strong's G1247 in the following manner: minister unto (15x), serve (10x), minister (7x), miscellaneous (5x). = Deacon.

I have been in your position as a Deacon. Over time, my conservative position of two offices, pastor and deacon, was overridden. That church has eliminated the Deacon Board and replaced it with an Elder Board.

May God bless your efforts as you seek His will in these matters.
 

supersoldier71

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Great opening post!! My response addresses the opening post and does not address any of the follow-on posts.

Clarity is a key for constitutional changes. You could make a change for one purpose, and because of vagueness, the change could then be used for a different purpose.

1) To whom does the Elder or Elders report to? Must they report to the membership quarterly? Are they accountable to the membership. Can the membership remove them from office by a simple majority vote. Otherwise leadership can usurp power unto itself.

2) Are Elders nominated by the Deacon/Elder board and then confirmed initially and periodically (every 3 years) by the membership.

3) Which decisions must be approved by the membership, such as real estate transactions?

4) Disqualifying behavior, prior to professing salvation should not be held against believers after a period of years (3?) subsequent to professing salvation, but disqualifying behavior subsequent to professing salvation should apply for at least 3 years, and at the discretion of the membership, could be considered a permanent disqualification.

5) Your qualification requirements for your church can be established by your membership. Since smoking and drinking set an example that could cause some to stumble, the Bible allows for requiring your leadership to abstain from substance dependence.
Hopefully you will not include soda and coffee in your list.

1) Currently the leadership reports to the congregation monthly on matters of church operation such as the members whom we haven't seen in some time, those whose membership is up for termination due to...unfortunately it seems that the only reason we see is that some husband has decided he no longer wants to be a husband and a father. That just occurred to me. The monthly church members' meeting covers those things. Quarterly or more often, as necessary, that meeting will discuss the church's finances as well as the finances of the K-12 school.

2) Currently, a nomination from a currently serving pastor or deacon, ratified by a simple majority (out of a church body of about 750-780: we are a church in a military town and we have a lot of turnover) is how we select deacons. We would select elders in a similar fashion, except they would be nominated by other elders, and demonstrate the ability to teach the Word, as that is the fundamental difference between the two offices. The unpaid will always outnumber the paid in the concept given by our Senior Pastor.

3) Which issues MUST go to the membership? To be determined. Right now, below a certain dollar threshold, and assuming the church won't incur more debt, the pastors and the deacons vote. That part will, under the new constitution become the domain of the elders, both paid and unpaid. Determining the actual dollar amount seems a bit tricky off the top of my head because say $1000 (pulled that number out of air) in 2018 will not be the same as the same amount in 2028, 2038, etc....

Constitutional and other changes to how the church stands on a biblical issue resemble a representative democracy: now the pastors and deacons, but hopeful in the future, elders will draft, refine and assuming a majority of elders then wish to proceed, present them to the membership for a 2/3 vote. Our most recent example was just last year to more clearly articulate our stance on gender. We believe in two. God made them and called them "man" and "woman", equal in value, distinct in purpose.

4) Disqualifying behavior - This is where the potential for the inner workings of the committee to become contentious. Currently, "...the husband of one wife...." applies completely and prescriptively, that is, we have no single men in any leadership position. We also have no divorced men in any leadership position. It's the first question they asked me when I was nominated as deacon. It's serious business, and it should and shall remain so. However, in many of the cases, the divorce occurred well before salvation, even decades, and the man has subsequently been saved, married and faithful to God and his wife.

3 years, perhaps as many as 5, seems like a long enough time.

5) Alcohol and tobacco - Forbidden to everyone who holds any position in the church or in the school. The partial revision will not change this at all, but simply include the newly-created office of elder in the language of the restriction. That change MUST occur if the office of elder is established.

The full revision will prohibit public and excessive drinking and specifically prohibit drunkenness.
 

Jerome

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Currently we have a pastoral staff of four men, the Senior Pastor, the Executive Pastor, the Youth and Children's Pastors....
The Senior and Executive Pastor would comprise the vocational elders; the plurality of elders would then be filled by three laymen, and continue in such a manner that the laymen always maintain a majority over the vocational staff.

So two of your four pastors will get to be be 'vocational elders.' How will the other two pastors fit into the new scheme?
 

supersoldier71

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So two of your four pastors will get to be be 'vocational elders.' How will the other two pastors fit into the new scheme?

Not sure. We have a lot of things to sort out and that's one of them.

They are very very young men, and that may be a consideration.


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