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[Reynolds]

Wrong again… Im convinced that there is a distinction between Sonship and Discipleship. In the Lordship Salvation paradigm, regeneration and discipleship are so intertwined that one doesn’t exist without the other. Again I’m saying that regeneration doesn’t always produce discipleship. The practice of distinguishing between regeneration and gospel conversion… between preservation and perseverance is a critical component in interpreting God’s word

You should brush up on Macarthurs Lordship Salvation doctrine. Half what you say he said, he did not say.

 

[Reformed1689]

You should brush up on Macarthurs Lordship Salvation doctrine. Half what you say he said, he did not say.

100%

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You might want to actually look up what legalism is and what it is not. But yes, you are, in fact, misrepresenting John MacArthur.

This guy and his ilk literally caused churches up and down the east coast to close their doors because of all the havoc that was caused by that agenda so nope, not misrepresented at all.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

100%

I once saw the guy disrupt one of Sprolls Ligner conferences by telling the audience that Pedobaptists were to correct their baptist preferences to the proper way to baptize… namely getting dunked! That caused quite some heat since the conference was primarily a Pedobaptist and Presbyterian/Reformed audience.

 

[Reformed1689]

This guy and his ilk literally caused churches up and down the east coast to close their doors because of all the havoc that was caused by that agenda so nope, not misrepresented at all.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. If churches closed their doors it wasn't because one man in California preached biblical truth. It was because of something else.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It does not and you know this because you and I have discussed it at length via PM.

The question is why you pretend to think what you are posting is true.

You classify anyone who holds a "Victorious Christ" view as agreeing with or following NT Wright.

Illustration - Do you agree with the anti-missions movement (that we should not share the gospel)? Your view (Calvinism) mirrors theirs, so you must.

See how dishonest it is to misrepresent other people?

Out of curiosity, who do you consider to be the anti missions movement?

 

[JonC]

Out of curiosity, who do you consider to be the anti missions movement?

I am referring to a 19th century movement. Don't know of anybody today.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. If churches closed their doors it wasn't because one man in California preached biblical truth. It was because of something else.

Yea, the refusal to bow down to Calvinist doctrinal agenda.

 

[JonC]

I reject that jests died simply due to evil world and evil men, as his death was predetermined and ordained by the Father himself

I reject that his vindication is primary aspect of the Cross, as that was Atonement and justification of his own people

I reject that God the father can just say your sins have been forgiven, without the psa giving to Him the very basis to be able to now declare us righteous in Christ

Yes, i do see Pauline Justification as the reformers did, and MANY baptists such as Spurgeon, and reject the views of Wright and the Npp!

Does not matter what you reject - remember, I reject that justification is corporate rather than individual....but you still view my view as a NPP view.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am referring to a 19th century movement. Don't know of anybody today.

OK then, could you explain your reference to the 19th century? It’s just that I don’t understand the answer you provided. Thanks

 

[Reformed1689]

Yea, the refusal to bow down to Calvinist doctrinal agenda.

Absurd. How does one book from one man close doors 3,000 miles away? You must just not like John MacArthur, and that is your right, but you aren't entitled to your own history and facts.

 

[Reynolds]

This guy and his ilk literally caused churches up and down the east coast to close their doors because of all the havoc that was caused by that agenda so nope, not misrepresented at all.

You are still wrong. He didn't say what you said he did. He did not cause any church to close. If immature members who can't handle doctrinal debate caused their churches to implode, that is an entirely different matter.

 

[Reynolds]

Absurd. How does one book from one man close doors 3,000 miles away? You must just not like John MacArthur, and that is your right, but you aren't entitled to your own history and facts.

He makes his own "facts" in about every post.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Absurd. How does one book from one man close doors 3,000 miles away? You must just not like John MacArthur, and that is your right, but you aren't entitled to your own history and facts.

You should open your eyes then. I’m done.

 

[JonC]

OK then, could you explain your reference to the 19th century? It’s just that I don’t understand the answer you provided. Thanks

@JesusFan was saying that my belief was n the Victorious Christ view mirrors NT Wright view.

That is no different from saying his view mirrors the 18th century anti-missions movement.

 

[JonC]

Do you hold the Psa view as being the central "error" held by Calvinists then?

Yes.

 

[Reformed1689]

You should open your eyes then. I’m done.

Well why don't you provide some evidence?

 

[AustinC]

Well why don't you provide some evidence?

It is evident that there are some empty complainers who revolt against the observed truth of God's Word and replace observed truth with a fantasy faith that they cannot even articulate. It's a muddy water faith philosophy.

 

[JonC]

It is evident that there are some empty complainers who revolt against the observed truth of God's Word and replace observed truth with a fantasy faith that they cannot even articulate. It's a muddy water faith philosophy.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Try writing down what you believe and work through it that way until it is coherent.

Since you reply on Reformed books (authors I have read as well) I can get what you are saying even through the muddy philosophy.

 

[AustinC]

@Reformed1689, see what I mean. No substance from the OP.