Continued - Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement.

[GoodTidings]

If the Dems win the election and give us more of the socialistic Obama economy, reducing us to poverty, then you can also be assured that the Brits and the Dems will be in Gaza firing rockets on Israel 24/7. The USA will be reduced to famine as all socialistic countries are. .

If the Dems win (and they wont'), they would be back with a vengeance and we would return to high unemployment, and more people forced back on to government dependence. They will shred the Constitution and there will be no freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no freedom of the Press and all dissenters will be rounded up and imprisoned. The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise bent upon destroying America.

 

[FollowTheWay]

But Social Justice and Jim Wallis teach a works-based salvation. They interpret Christianity through social justice, not the Word of God. You cannot follower a heretic like Wallis and love Jesus. Your allegiance is either to that heretic or to Jesus.

We know Socialists and Social Justice warriors by their fruit and they are enemies of Jesus and enemies of the Gospel. They are on the path to Hell.

I don't follow Jim Wallis for my salvation. I follow the Bible and Jesus. BTW, are you aware that the doctrine of Eternal Security was introduced in the 1963 Baptist Faith and message. It was not in the previous version (1925) which was soundly based on the 1833 New Hampshire Confession.
http://baptiststudiesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/the-new-hampshire-confession-of-faith.pdf

This addition to the Baptist faith was hotly debated at the SBTS and is only accepted by the SBC. Other Baptists like the American Baptists and the National Baptists do not accept it nor does any other Christian denomination. I don't accept it. It's not Biblical.

 

[GoodTidings]

I don't follow Jim Wallis for my salvation. I follow the Bible and Jesus.

You cannot aspire and assent with Jim Wallis AND Jesus. Wallis is a socialist and an enemy of Jesus and the Cross. He teaches a false gospel of social justice. No one can be an authentic follower of Jesus and subscribe to what Jim Wallis teaches. Jim Wallis is not a true Christian. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing and he finds gullible people to deceive into accept Socialism.

BTW, are you aware that the doctrine of Eternal Security was introduced in the 1963 Baptist Faith and message. It was not in the previous version (1925) which was soundly based on the 1833 New Hampshire Confession.
http://baptiststudiesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/the-new-hampshire-confession-of-faith.pdf

This addition to the Baptist faith was hotly debated at the SBTS and is only accepted by the SBC. Other Baptists like the American Baptists and the National Baptists do not accept it nor does any other Christian denomination. I don't accept it. It's not Biblical.

I am not surprised. There isn't much about what I have seen in your posts on these boards that would lead me to believe that you adhere to any sound biblical doctrine at all.

And when it comes to the New Hampshire Confession of faith, you don't know what you're talking about. it affirms perseverance of the saints which any Calvinist will tell you amounts to eternal security. You don't' know anything about sound theology or politics.

You're just a liberal parrot.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You cannot aspire and assent with Jim Wallis AND Jesus. Wallis is a socialist and an enemy of Jesus and the Cross. He teaches a false gospel of social justice. No one can be an authentic follower of Jesus and subscribe to what Jim Wallis teaches. Jim Wallis is not a true Christian. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing and he finds gullible people to deceive into accept Socialism.


I am not surprised. There isn't much about what I have seen in your posts on these boards that would lead me to believe that you adhere to any sound biblical doctrine at all.

And when it comes to the New Hampshire Confession of faith, you don't know what you're talking about. it affirms perseverance of the saints which any Calvinist will tell you amounts to eternal security. You don't' know anything about sound theology or politics.

You're just a liberal parrot.

Actually I do. Once again you don't know everything about me. Please don't act as if you do. I drafted the statement of faith my my American Baptist Church in NJ. It was commented on by the other deacons and the pastor and then ratified by the church. I served on two pastoral search committees and was one of the two members on both that asked theological questions. I also have done lay preaching at retirement homes once a month for the last 6 1/2 years and as a backup before that. Do you have this kind of experience?

 

[church mouse guy]

And now you are saying that only Democrats and socialism have the answers to the "needy" in the USA, which you have not defined who is the needy and why we need higher taxes and more government since both would be fiscally irresponsible considering the burden of unstainable debt. Nor have you answered why Gaza is entitled to fire rockets into Israel in an unprovoked attack today. Instead you have complained about eternal security which is not germane to this thread in the slightest. You have a liberation theology (communism) and a socialist economic policy and a pro-Islamic worldview. You are the problem not the solution.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Socialism and Social justice is not "love," much less the Gospel. Where socialism is practiced, there is nothing but poverty, oppression, fear and injustice.

Social Justice doesn't help the poor and never has. Social Justice is about wealth redistribution and that does not help the poor. It just perpetuates existing poverty and creates new poverty. If you think social justice helps the poor, just look at Democratic Socialist Venezuela where people are resorting to eating out of sewers. That's socialism; it's not the Gospel.

Democrat polices tax and tax and tax. That does not help the poor. Punishing the rich doesn't help he poor.

You know how you love the poor and needy??? You put them to work. You give them jobs. Trump's policies are working and we have the lowest unemployment we have ever had. The BEST program to pull people out of poverty is a job. It is work. Work is how you get out of poverty.

The problem is that Democrats NEED people to stay poor, in order for the Democrat party to stay relevant. It's why Leftist radicals like Al Sharpton hate policies that get black men back to work and they are no longer blaming white people for all of their problems.

The Socialists need poverty to stay in power. Every socialist country is a dictatorship where people are poor and oppressed because the government elites own everything. Socialists have NEVER helped the poor. They create and maintain poverty while they brutalize their own people.

FollowtheWay, if you want socialism, then pack up and leave and go live in a socialist country. We are not going to be a socialist country and it will be a cold day in hell before we allow people like you make it one. If want to be socialist, then we don't need you in here in America.

The FINAL Judgement

[Mat 25:31-46 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[church mouse guy]

The FINAL Judgement

[Mat 25:31-46 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

You have not demonstrated a current need for a tax increase and an increase in government welfare at this time nor have you addressed the issue of the large government debt. Working people are already paying for almost half of the country that does not work but draws government benefits of one sort or another. Your socialistic ideas cannot be based upon Scripture because Scripture is not socialistic. If you look at the current crop of socialists fielded by the Democrats not one of them is even a liberation theology advocate like you.

The Democrats are the party of slave owners, Jim Crow, KKK, abortion, and same-sex marriage. Now they are urging that people spit on Republicans and hound them from eating in Democrat run diners. Why don't you clean up your own house? Does the Scripture that you quote say that it is okay to spit on people who do not believe the way that you do?

 

[FollowTheWay]

 

[FollowTheWay]

You have not demonstrated a current need for a tax increase and an increase in government welfare at this time nor have you addressed the issue of the large government debt. Working people are already paying for almost half of the country that does not work but draws government benefits of one sort or another. Your socialistic ideas cannot be based upon Scripture because Scripture is not socialistic. If you look at the current crop of socialists fielded by the Democrats not one of them is even a liberation theology advocate like you.

The Democrats are the party of slave owners, Jim Crow, KKK, abortion, and same-sex marriage. Now they are urging that people spit on Republicans and hound them from eating in Democrat run diners. Why don't you clean up your own house? Does the Scripture that you quote say that it is okay to spit on people who do not believe the way that you do?

Do you accept the Bible's description of the final judgement? It is also found at the end of Rev.

[Rev 20:11-15 KJV] 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Revmitchell]

I of course, only see what you post here. I realized that I was guilty of doing what others have done to me here, assuming they know everything about me because I oppose Trump and favor government policies to help the needy. Here, you oppose those and support an immoral president. My belief is there is no such thing as a new gospel for social justice. Jesus supported the poor and needy and I believe that means we should do to follow His example.Doing that personally is the best way but supporting other groups including the government counts too. "Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren you have done it unto Me." The beatitudes speak of this love for the poor and needy. I see a lot of hate expressed here and in the church. There is no room for hate in a Christian. I of course am not perfect but try to follow this teaching.

If you preach a gospel confined to Republicans and against Democrats and policies to help the poor you are not preaching Christ's gospel of love.

The Dems do not want to help the poor they want to enslave them to the Dems for power.

 

[GoodTidings]

The FINAL Judgement

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. .

That is not social justice. Social Justice is a redistribution of wealth, not charity or helping the poor. Jesus never taught socialism or social justice.

Heretics and nonbelievers are trying pencil Social Justice into the Bible, but it is not there. The focus of Jesus' ministry was not social at all. It was redemptive. Jesus' point in the above parable is about how the nations treated the Jews, not about the poor.

 

[church mouse guy]

Do you accept the Bible's description of the final judgement? It is also found at the end of Rev.

[Rev 20:11-15 KJV] 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

What does that have to do with the socialist political agenda? The poor are worse off under socialism. As someone said, under capitalism one has a pet; under socialism one eats his pet. Do you think that you will ever be held accountable for your political agenda?

 

[GoodTidings]

Actually I do. Once again you don't know everything about me. Please don't act as if you do. I drafted the statement of faith my my American Baptist Church in NJ. It was commented on by the other deacons and the pastor and then ratified by the church. I served on two pastoral search committees and was one of the two members on both that asked theological questions. I also have done lay preaching at retirement homes once a month for the last 6 1/2 years and as a backup before that. Do you have this kind of experience?

I am currently a Pastor and have been for 6 and 1/2 years. I am seminary trained. And yes, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Ask any Calvinist and they will tell you that perseverance of the saints is Eternal Security.

 

[FollowTheWay]

That is not social justice. Social Justice is a redistribution of wealth, not charity or helping the poor. Jesus never taught socialism or social justice.

Heretics and nonbelievers are trying pencil Social Justice into the Bible, but it is not there. The focus of Jesus' ministry was not social at all. It was redemptive. Jesus' point in the above parable is about how the nations treated the Jews, not about the poor.

Social justice is simply providing the same justice for everyone. But the Bible says that we should especially provide for the poor.

 

[FollowTheWay]

What does that have to do with the socialist political agenda? The poor are worse off under socialism. As someone said, under capitalism one has a pet; under socialism one eats his pet. Do you think that you will ever be held accountable for your political agenda?

I will be held accountable for how I treated the "least among these." So will you.

 

[Revmitchell]

Social justice is simply providing the same justice for everyone. But the Bible says that we should especially provide for the poor.

No sir, you are wrong on this. Social Justice as defined and used by the left you support use it to redistribute wealth against the will of those with the wealth. This forces people to work to earn money to give someone else against their will. That is slavery.

 

[FollowTheWay]

No sir, you are wrong on this. Social Justice as defined and used by the left you support use it to redistribute wealth against the will of those with the wealth. This forces people to work to earn money to give someone else against their will. That is slavery.

I'm talking about what I believe not what you claim "the left" believes.

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm talking about what I believe not what you claim "the left" believes.

Yea I get that but if you support what the government is currently doing then you are supporting what they believe. You cannot support them and then divorce yourself from what they are doing or how they are doing it.

 

[GoodTidings]

Social justice is simply providing the same justice for everyone. But the Bible says that we should especially provide for the poor.

No, you clearly have no clue what social justice is.

You earned your money honestly, but some guy ran up immense credit card debt and student loan debt that he cannot afford to pay off and is living in poverty as result of his debts.

Social Justice says that YOU have to pay for his decisions and you are responsible for his debts and his bills.

• You have to pay for credit cards you did not open up.
  
• You have to pay for student loans that you did not apply for (even though you paid your loans off, now you have to pay someone else's loans).
  
• You have pay mortgages for houses you don't own.
  
• You have to pay for someone else's medical procedures.

It is a redistribution of wealth. You will pay 70%-90% in taxes to pay everyone else's bills. Is that how you want to live?

Social justice doesn't help the poor. It perpetuates poverty. You refuse to look at socialist countries and see the condition they are in. You basically commit intellectual suicide because you have a false, pie-in-the-sky vision of what socialism looks like and you REFUSE to address why socialist countries don't succeed and why everyone is poor and scratching at the dirt to find something to eat. You need stop looking at socialism through the lens of your imagination and start looking at reality.

You are impossible to reason with on this topic because you do not have a intelligent grasp on what socialism and social justice are. You cannot point to ONE socialist success anywhere in the world, but you keep acting like it's a good thing.

If socialism is so great, why does everyone from socialist countries want to immigrate to the US to get away from socialism???? You cannot answer that question. No socialist can.

 

[Covenanter]

You are a socialist. Your jihadi psychopath friends in Gaza just fired two more rockets into Israel, but I guess that is what you like:

Two Terror Rockets Fired from Gaza toward Southern Israel | Breitbart

How many Israelis are killed by Gaza rockets? And how many Gazans are killed by Israeli terror bombs & bullets?