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Conversion after death

I Love An Atheist

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What is all of this indignation about? The worst that anybody is saying is that they don't know for sure how God works out everything for everybody. It's up to God, and if He hasn't said exactly how He intends to handle everything, some people are comfortable speculating about it. Other people are not.

Do you think that God read about Vatican II and said, Oops, he's right. Or that God is waiting for the Baptists to vote on it, and then God will bring Buddha up from hell to heaven?
 

utilyan

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I know of no one that knows the spiritual condition of the Samaritan at death.

Are you claiming that you do?
Yeah.....Samaritan.

Jesus used the Samaritan as the exemplar to agape love of God and neighbor.

Luke 10

36“Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell into the robbers’ hands?37And he said, “The one who showed mercy toward him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do the same.”

Our discussion is the ENTIRE POINT of the Good Samaritan. The Lawyer wants justification based on same religion. Samaritans were hated then they desecrated the temple of God with human bones. They didn't have Muslims back then.

If Jesus were here today he'd probably tell the parable of the GOOD MUSLIM.
 

utilyan

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That tells me all I need to know about you.

Done here.

Scripture says its Samaritan. ...... Not a Christian or Jew.

The entire point of the story is against religious fascism.


You would have gotten along great with the lawyer your exactly his attitude.

Look up the word BIGOT. Google it.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Scripture says its Samaritan. ...... Not a Christian or Jew.

The entire point of the story is against religious fascism.


You would have gotten along great with the lawyer your exactly his attitude.

Look up the word BIGOT. Google it.
Christ is referencing outsider, not unbeliever.
 

HankD

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Jesus said, "No man cometh I
Unto The Father but by Me."
If you don't come to The Father, where do you go?
The passage begs the question, can God the Father reveal the Son to whomsoever He wills whensoever He chooses (e.g. after the spirit leaves the body)?

Just saying.
 

utilyan

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Religious fascism?

For Jesus time it was the pharisees, they are the CHOSEN ONES, every other approach to religion is automatically evil. Even if you did something Good it doesn't count.

For example when Jesus saves a person from a demonic possession, Well the only logical explanation for that is that Jesus was a devil worshiper.

Matthew 12
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

Oppressive evil people rely on accusation, blaming, faultfinding, they themselves are always the chosen good and someone else is not.


Can you spot the pharisee?

13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

They don't preach good news, they preach bad news. Its all based on fear and power.

You get westboro baptist in here, my money is on 95% of everyone here is going to hell
 

Matt Janes

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I know of no one that knows the spiritual condition of the Samaritan at death.

Are you claiming that you do?
Yet you claim to know the spiritual condition of Buddha at death, because you have already judged him as being in Hell for all eternity
 

Yeshua1

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Yet you claim to know the spiritual condition of Buddha at death, because you have already judged him as being in Hell for all eternity
He denied that there was a personal God, and that was a real sin debt that could be atoned for apart from karma!
 

utilyan

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He denied that there was a personal God, and that was a real sin debt that could be atoned for apart from karma!

No he opposed reliance on belief vs knowing. If you walked up to the Buddha and said there is no God, he would tell you that you are wrong. Vice versa.
 

steaver

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Nobody told Buddha about God, so how could Buddha be at fault? Atheists don't go to heaven, but at the moment of death there could be a final illumination where they are presented with the truth and accept it. Buddha was not at fault for living in the time and place he did, where there was no one evangelizing people and teaching them about God. God knows he was not at fault. God's justice is perfect

The spirits of antichrist will come up with any scenario they can to draw people away from the truth of Christ.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." (1Jo 2:22)

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1Jo 4:3)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." (2Jo 1:7)


Buddhist and Catholics do have quite a bit in common...

"As a whole, Buddhism has little directly to say about Jesus Christ. It does acknowledge what most men do: that He was a great person. For the most part, however, His Gospel teachings are largely ignored and a more convenient Jesus is accepted: one who, along with the Buddha, smiles serenely......." Buddhism and Jesus Christ | John Ankerberg Show
 

utilyan

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The spirits of antichrist will come up with any scenario they can to draw people away from the truth of Christ.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." (1Jo 2:22)

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1Jo 4:3)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." (2Jo 1:7)


Buddhist and Catholics do have quite a bit in common...

"As a whole, Buddhism has little directly to say about Jesus Christ. It does acknowledge what most men do: that He was a great person. For the most part, however, His Gospel teachings are largely ignored and a more convenient Jesus is accepted: one who, along with the Buddha, smiles serenely......." Buddhism and Jesus Christ | John Ankerberg Show

I read Ankerberg's report. Total misrepresentation of Buddhism.

Even the sugar coating is false:

"It does acknowledge what most men do: that He was a great person."

No where does Buddhism say Jesus Christ was a great person, Probably because it was formed 500 years before he was born.

You have to realize the obvious stupidity and attempt to misrepresent. A bigoted version Christianity will vilify everything that is not it.

He couldn't even fake the sugar coat correctly.

There is the history of what went down, The actual practice and science, and the current opinion of Buddhist today.


Buddhism is taught in its complete form in Matthew 6 in the bible. So much so I don't have to call it Buddhism. I just have to insist you PRACTICE Matthew 6. Anyone who practices Matthew 6 is practicing Buddhism.


There is more worship in swimming and riding a bike then meditation which is the actual practice of Buddhism.

Everyone here has meditates, you just do a horrible job of it most the time.


Everyone here "does" Buddhism.

If another culture had another word for "poop" Sure enough our corrupt bigot christian would insist it cannot be true.


All athletes, craftsmen, Pizza makers......Generally any kind of Job employs Buddhism.

Because they require your mediate attention right now

The Jedi teach it:

A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon.Never his mind on where he was.


Jesus states. Don't worry about tomorrow. you got enough evil going on today.


Anxiety, Fear. These are very subtle attacks.

If you are assured in faith with God, you have absolutely nothing to worry about or fear, ever.

Plenty of time when you start to ponder about the past/future it points to a dissatisfaction with the present moment. The past revs up fear of the future. There is a disharmony because your telling your own life story based on distortion of what really is happening. Whats happening is whats happening vs whats happening + your idea of whats happening.


So the self-discipline involves learning to shut up and listen.

In fact I could say Buddhism means shut up and listen.


You might walk outside today and say to yourself ........man it is hot! or cold.

There is a part of you that actually comments and gives an opinion......TO YOURSELF that it is HOT.

Your self confidence is so bad, Your mind has a CAPTAIN OBVIOUS that literally tries to let you know.

DON'T forget you got to pick up some milk. WHO the heck is talking to who?


Someone who meditates/enlightened. Their brain runs like a well oiled engine. It doesn't require the service of captain obvious.
In prayer you can pray whole heartedly in contact with God you can attempt to completely listen and be at attention for God.

If I told you to go outside and sit on a chair. Your mental discipline might not be capable of doing just that, you don't have control. You will sit and daydream, sit and ponder, sit and make opinions, It takes a lot of discipline to just sit. You have what they call a monkey-mind, not disciplined and always restless.

Or like Jesus says: 27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

Or if you sit there and think, is this thinking going to extend your life by an hour?
 
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