Corporate Faith?

[Van]

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Yet another subject change from the false doctrine denying the lost have an opportunity during their lifetime to be saved through faith. John 3:16

 

[AustinC]

Yet another subject change from the false doctrine denying the lost have an opportunity during their lifetime to be saved through faith. John 3:16

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Moderators, please remove Van's off topic comments.
@Salty

 

[agedman]

Totally off topic diversion, no one claimed the NT believers preceded the OT believers, only that the OT believers had to wait to be made perfect until after Christ died. Not really too difficult to grasp...

So, those in paradise were bodiless?

Yet, the rich man saw and recognized Lazarus.

What of the one on the cross who The Lord said would be in paradise with him, we’re they both bodiless while their earthy form was in the grave?

OT saints most certainly preceded the NT saints, in two proofs.

1. They were first to see the glorified Saviour’s glorified estate as the sacrificed lamb having yet to appear before the Father and take the scroll of seven seals.
   
   
2. The graves of the saints were opened prior to the resurrection and folks saw saints walking around after the resurrection (from Matthew 27)

50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
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Belief makes a person perfect, and all those who believed were already made perfect under the conditions of the old covenant that pointed to a new covenant.

Just because the New Covenant was not enforced until blood was shed (for Hebrews rightly points out that a Will is not enforce until the death occurs), does not remove the promise of eternal rest given to OT righteous saints.

As David, in his often quoted confession, says:

16For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings.
17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.
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One other Scripture that is concerning your view also presented again in this thread as if it were fact but is not. It has repeatedly shown to refute your thinking.

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.​

God the Father is not a creator leaving it up to dust to decide eternal matters.

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[rsr]

Closed at the OP's request.