Originally posted by born again and again:
On the topic of this thread, that is, the meaning of the word "faith" and the identity of the author of the Gospel of John, after having had at least two months to do so, DHK has "given up" on producing any single scientific fact which tends to prove the identity of who wrote the Book of John. He is now reduced to citing scriptures and making a single oblique reference to Clenent of Alexandria, Origen, Turtullien and the Muratonian fragment. He does not even cite any specific authority or quote from these referenced individuals; instead merely notes that from 170 A.D. to 220 A.D. they indicate that the gospel is "attributed" to John.
Does he also believe that Matthew and Luke did not "borrow" from Mark? Does he feel that the Gospel of Thomas does not contain actual sayings of Jesus or that it just "doesn't fit" into the new Testament by virtue of the fact that it contains no recitation of the crucifixion of Jesus? Questions of interest, for sure, but once you "give up" on science, you are free to engage in more speculation.
"Given up???" Are you trying to be a comedian?
Why not be truthful instead.
First don't lie about "not producing any scientific facts," when I just posted quite a lengthy post that had much "scientific fact" in it. The truth is BA&A, you don't know what science is. You have failed, on repeated request, to define science. Why? Are you being ignorant, and displaying it for us all? I have asked that you not only define science, but also designate the specific scientific field that you desire knowledge from. All you desire is a game of semantics. People can see right through that.
What science? Be specific? Sylviculture? Endocrinology? Entymology? Taxonomoy? What is science, and what branch of science do you want information from? You need to narrow your scope here.
As far as faith is concerned I gave you a definition from the highest possible authority, and you rejected that. Fact is, no matter what I say, no matter what I provide you with, scientific or otherwise, you act like an infidel ready to reject everything.
Your dialogue is like a broken record (round and round the block we go).
but once you "give up" on science, you are free to engage in more speculation.
I study science; have a degree in science, and at least can define the word, which you refuse to do. Having said that, though I do not ignore scientific fact, it is the Bible that is my sole authority in all matters of faith and practice. You haven't given any indication to me what science is, and even if you believe the Bible to be the true Word of God. You seem to very confused.
I don't "engage in speculation." That is what philosophers do. I stand upon the promises of the Word of God. My faith is in God's Word, and in its author, Jesus Christ, who saved me from the penalty of my sin, and granted me eternal life. What has he done for you, and how do you know?
DHK
