Could Jesus Do Things the Father and Holy Spirit could not do?

[Larry the Logger]

The Father Yahweh did what He did, at His will. Who's to argue with Him?

His own words, plans, actions, promises, principles, doctrines would.

 

[37818]

. . . God, & can do ANYTHING.

God cannot and so will not do anything contrary to being God.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Each is God, & can do ANYTHING.

NO, for starters, God cannot lie!

 

[37818]

What does John 1:3 say and actually mean?

That the Word, who is the Son of God is God the Uncaused Cause. That is why He is the Son of God. Is the reason He the Son is visiable on behalf of God as God, John 1:18, KJV, "No man hath seen God at any time; . . ." Genesis 12:7, "And the LORD appeared unto Abram, . . ." John 14:9, ". . . he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; . . ."

 

[robycop3]

NO, for starters, God cannot lie!

He CAN, but He DOESN'T. No one can name something He CAN'T do, but we can all name things He DOESN'T or WON'T do.

 

[robycop3]

Jesus' being "sent" by the Father has nothing to do with His being an inferior Person to the Father at any time. Jesus made it very clear throughout His Ministry on earth, that He came to do everything in harmony with God the Father, and that they worked together in everything, which is exactly what Jesus says in John 5:17, "But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”. To which the Jews responded, "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." (verse 18). Jesus' Authority on earth, was the same as the Father's Authority. He never acted on His own, because He and the Father are always ONE! . Much of what Jesus said and did was for the benefit of those around Him, like we read in John 11, "And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.” (41-42). There is not Scriptual teaching, that just because Jesus or the Holy Spirit, Who are "sent", means that they are "inferior" to the Father, or the Father is "superior" to them.

No mention of the fact Jesus PRAYED. Again, the pray-ee is always superior to those who pray.

 

[37818]

He CAN, but He DOESN'T.

God does not do anything contrary to being God. Titus 1:2.

 

[Larry the Logger]

Of course not. Each is God, & can do ANYTHING.

Well, that's great. You've figured out the "could God make a rock so heavy that He can't pick it up" conundrum. Bart Ehrman should be impressed.

 

[robycop3]

Well, that's great. You've figured out the "could God make a rock so heavy that He can't pick it up" conundrum. Bart Ehrman should be impressed.

Can anyone name anything God CAN'T do? (Not "won't" do)

 

[robycop3]

God does not do anything contrary to being God. Titus 1:2.

Right. That's why I said "won't" do. He CAN do anything, but there are things He WON'T do.

 

[Larry the Logger]

Can anyone name anything God CAN'T do? (Not "won't" do)

I see. You're right if the exercise is can't and not won't. God could choose to wipe us out and start all over. Who would stop Him? Who would be around to remind Him he promised, among a bunch of things, not to?

Although, there is Hebrews 6:18 which says it's impossible for God to lie. I noticed it doesn't say "won't lie," or "chooses not to lie" but that it is "impossible for God to lie." That impossibility ties every one of His words in Scripture together and puts a plus in the "can't" column to me. Although, I guess if He wanted to end His own plan from eternity past, like you said, who would stop Him if He chose not to stop Himself per His many promises and just do it anyway? If that's the case, God could be capricious yet chooses not to be. I know I wouldn't want to take a recently remodeled house I worked on all by myself for two years, including framing, new electrical, new plumbing, new windows, insulation, new kitchen, baths, laundry, literally new everything except outside wall framing and when complete, just burn it down because I could. I wouldn't "want" to but I "could." If I were the only one on the planet living at the time, who would know how utterly stupid and ridiculous, burning down my own house would be? Who would stop me?

 

[SavedByGrace]

No mention of the fact Jesus PRAYED. Again, the pray-ee is always superior to those who pray.

do you believe that Jesus Christ as the eternal Yahweh, is "inferior" to the Father?

 

[Yeshua1]

No, but the question is “could they”?

Could one (either) of the other persons within the Godhead assumed the role taken by the Eternal Son?

The question seems to be along the lines of creating a rock too big to lift.

God will only act according to His will.

peace to you

Think each One did their specific role in the plan of salvation!

 

[Yeshua1]

no, this would mean the the Father is the prominent Person in the Godhead, which is impossible!

all 3 are equally God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus said, "My Father is greater than I."

Jesus was in that servant position while here on earth, and had accepted limitations, so not true now!

 

[Yeshua1]

do you believe that Jesus Christ as the eternal Yahweh, is "inferior" to the Father?

How can God be inferior to God?

 

[Yeshua1]

Van, I say this again, your Christology is way off what the Bible actually says

That would make Jesus to have a split personality!

 

[Yeshua1]

He meant "one in thoughts & purpose".

Nope, One as in both equally Yahweh!

 

[Yeshua1]

Look at verses 28 and 29 and you will see that the "unity" Jesus is speaking about is in power security and the source of all life. Which is only possible for someone Who is co-equal with the Father

Jesus claiming to be One had the Jews trying to kill Him off, as they knew that was claiming to be God Himself!

 

[Yeshua1]

But His Father sent Him; He said He came to do HIS FATHER'S will. As the time drew near for His "passion, He prayed that His Father's will be done, not His own. And, of course, he prayed many times before that. The one being prayed to is always greater than he/she who prays.

Is Jesus fully God?