Could Jesus Do Things the Father and Holy Spirit could not do?

[MB]

Well, Sir, their appears to be some "folks" who think dodging the questions is appropriate. I will not wait with "bated breath" for your answer of these:
Questions dodged by many posters:
1) Since Jesus was "all knowing" why did He not know the time of His return?

What possibilities of importance is this ignorant question?

[QUOTE="Van, post: 2671972, member: 10696"

2) Since the Holy Spirit is "all knowing" why did He not know the time of Christ's return?

[/QUOTE]

The Son , and the Holy Spirit trust the Father. God is not like us with our doubts, curiosities and anticipation It is enough that the Father alone knows.
MB

 

[Van]

That depends on whose breath was bated.

On and on, deflection to hide the on-going avoidance of the questions:
Questions dodged by many posters:
1) Since Jesus was "all knowing" why did He not know the time of His return?
2) Since the Holy Spirit is "all knowing" why did He not know the time of Christ's return?

 

[Van]

What possibilities of importance is this ignorant question?

[QUOTE="Van, post: 2671972, member: 10696"
2) Since the Holy Spirit is "all knowing" why did He not know the time of Christ's return?

The Son , and the Holy Spirit trust the Father. God is not like us with our doubts, curiosities and anticipation It is enough that the Father alone knows.
MB[/QUOTE]

Yet another non-answer, and it appears the posters actually have no answer. Such a fundamental doctrine of Omniscience and not one of the many "baptists" have an answer? Mind boggling.

Here are the biblical facts:
Jesus was "all knowing" (knew all things John 16:30 & 21:17) while incarnate, yet did not know the time of His return.
The Holy Spirit is "all knowing, (searches all things 1 Corinthians 2:10) yet did not know the time of His return.

 

[Van]

To dig a little deeper into Omniscience, let us consider Psalm 147:5:
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite. (NASB)

Among the translation choices, rather than abundant in strength, many choose mighty in power.
Also instead of "understanding" we can find a few going with "wisdom," "knowledge" and "intelligence." But the vast majority go with "understanding." Which takes us to the translation difficulty.

How could the Holy Spirit and Jesus not know the time of return if their "understanding" is infinite? The alternate translation choice of a few versions is "beyond measure" or beyond our comprehension. But that would not require it to be infinite, because almost all of us can look at the stars and realize our knowledge is limited.

 

[Tsalagi]

To dig a little deeper into Omniscience, let us consider Psalm 147:5:
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite. (NASB)

Among the translation choices, rather than abundant in strength, many choose mighty in power.
Also instead of "understanding" we can find a few going with "wisdom," "knowledge" and "intelligence." But the vast majority go with "understanding." Which takes us to the translation difficulty.

How could the Holy Spirit and Jesus not know the time of return if their "understanding" is infinite? The alternate translation choice of a few versions is "beyond measure" or beyond our comprehension. But that would not require it to be infinite, because almost all of us can look at the stars and realize our knowledge is limited.

What practical application do you draw from these observations?

 

[Larry the Logger]

On and on, deflection to hide the on-going avoidance of the questions

OR, it could be some other reason.

 

[Van]

What practical application do you draw from these observations?

That not one person is willing to candidly answer the questions, suggesting cognitive dissonance. They believe two mutually exclusive views and are unwilling to submit to the requirement of scripture.

 

[Tsalagi]

That not one person is willing to candidly answer the questions, suggesting cognitive dissonance. They believe two mutually exclusive views and are unwilling to submit to the requirement of scripture.

I'm talking about doctrinal application, Christian faith and practice based on what we learn from Scripture.

If our study doesn't lead to "walking by faith" and being "thoroughly equipped for every good work," what's the point?

 

[Yeshua1]

Hebrews 7:25. Revelation 5:5. Read and learn.

Different responsibilities, as all 3 equally Yahweh still!

 

[Yeshua1]

The Son , and the Holy Spirit trust the Father. God is not like us with our doubts, curiosities and anticipation It is enough that the Father alone knows.
MB

Yet another non-answer, and it appears the posters actually have no answer. Such a fundamental doctrine of Omniscience and not one of the many "baptists" have an answer? Mind boggling.

Here are the biblical facts:
Jesus was "all knowing" (knew all things John 16:30 & 21:17) while incarnate, yet did not know the time of His return.
The Holy Spirit is "all knowing, (searches all things 1 Corinthians 2:10) yet did not know the time of His return.[/QUOTE]
The Holy Spirit does and did, and Jesus knows after he rose from dead again received His fullness of glory!

 

[Yeshua1]

Since God is all knowing and all powerful and omnipresent there is nothing He does not know everything about, nor was Christ alone on that Cross. This includes the pain and suffering of Christ. Along with the presents of The Father and the Holy Spirit. No earhtly father ever watched his son die with out feeling every bit of it why should the Father God not feel every bit of what happened as well?They as God were all there. Jesus was God in the flesh.
MB

Neither thr father nor the Spirit though died physically and suffered seperation as he did!

 

[Van]

I'm talking about doctrinal application, Christian faith and practice based on what we learn from Scripture.
If our study doesn't lead to "walking by faith" and being "thoroughly equipped for every good work," what's the point?

My memory is not what it should be, so sorry if I am mistaken, but aren't you the guy who said you were not a Calvinist, but refused to state which points of the TULIP you disavow. I like western movies but I do recall the pattern of a bushwhacker keeping his position hidden so he could shoot the unwary in the back.

 

[Van]

The Holy Spirit does and did, and Jesus knows after he rose from dead again received His fullness of glory!

Straight-up waste of time post, unbiblical to the core. Jesus did not know the time and neither did the Holy Spirit.
Mat 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

 

[Van]

To dig a little deeper into Omniscience, let us consider Psalm 147:5:
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite. (NASB)

Among the translation choices, rather than abundant in strength, many choose mighty in power.
Also instead of "understanding" we can find a few going with "wisdom," "knowledge" and "intelligence." But the vast majority go with "understanding." Which takes us to the translation difficulty.

How could the Holy Spirit and Jesus not know the time of return if their "understanding" is infinite? The alternate translation choice of a few versions is "beyond measure" or beyond our comprehension. But that would not require it to be infinite, because almost all of us can look at the stars and realize our knowledge is limited.

And the beat goes on, with no one willing to present the biblical answer.

 

[Yeshua1]

Straight-up waste of time post, unbiblical to the core. Jesus did not know the time and neither did the Holy Spirit.
Mat 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

So the Holy Spirit all of a sudden ceased being all knowing ?

 

[Van]

So the Holy Spirit all of a sudden ceased being all knowing ?

Either accept only the Father knew, or throw Matthew 24:36 on the bon-fire of nullification.

 

[Van]

It is just amazing how so many posters disagree with scripture because they bought false doctrine back in the day.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So the Holy Spirit all of a sudden ceased being all knowing ?

Absolutely not

 

[Tsalagi]

I'm talking about doctrinal application, Christian faith and practice based on what we learn from Scripture.

If our study doesn't lead to "walking by faith" and being "thoroughly equipped for every good work," what's the point?

My memory is not what it should be, so sorry if I am mistaken, but aren't you the guy who said you were not a Calvinist, but refused to state which points of the TULIP you disavow. I like western movies but I do recall the pattern of a bushwhacker keeping his position hidden so he could shoot the unwary in the back.

You can continue to deflect and make personal remarks, or you can answer the question: what is the practical spiritual application for me in speculating about what the Holy Spirit does or does not know about the timing of the second coming?

"Methinks, folks," this is just debate for its own sake. We are warned against that practice (2 Timothy 2:23, Titus 3:9).

 

[Tsalagi]

How could the Holy Spirit and Jesus not know the time of return if their "understanding" is infinite?
And the beat goes on, with no one willing to present the biblical answer.

That could be because you have failed to explain why it matters. Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?