Catholic Convert,
CC said, 'It is profoundly sad to see you and the men you quote not
only making fools of yourselves, but denying the very
words of the Bible as you do so:
Heb 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the
priests went always into the first tabernacle,
accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once
every year, not without blood, which he offered for
himself, and for the errors of the people:
CC. said, 'Do you understand what you just read there, or do I have
to get the crayons and paper with the big block letters. Do
you understand that there were two entirely separate
areas, the first where the general sacrifices were made
through the year, the second which, according to
SCRIPTURE, only the high priest ALONE went into once a
year.
Ray, for a seminary trained chap like you....that display of
scriptural ignorance is PATHETIC!!! I dont' want to EVER
hear you bashing Catholics about twisting scripture or
ignoring "clear Bible passages!!"
Ray said, 'The truth is that the veil was severed from the top to the
bottom because it was this veil that separated the Jewish and
Gentile worshippers from the Holy of Holies where the
mercy-seat was housed. The mercy-seat is a typeology of
Christ. Almighty God ripped the veil in twain to show that no
longer must the laity go through a priest to have access to the
Lord. Reformation leaders called this the "Priesthood of all
Believers." [Revelation 1:6a] Could we not have guessed that
Catholicism would place their own spin on this exegetical truth?
CC saod. 'Furthermore, the Gentiles were NEVER allowed into the
Inner Court, but were afforded an "OUTER COURT OF THE
GENTILES" from which they could watch. Gentiles were
unclean dogs in the eyes of the Jews and the idea that
they would be allowed anywhere near the Temple is an
idea repugnant to Jewish thought of that time.
Ray is saying, 'I did not speak about the Court of the Gentiles but you are correct in your above paragraph.
CC said, 'Premillenialism is based on the faulty premise that the
covenantal relationship of God with the Jews will be
restored. It posits the Church as an interruption in God's
plan with the Jews. That is not so.
Ray is saying, 'Sorry, Ed your Catholicism rejects Romans 11:23, 24c ' . . . how much moreshall these, which be the natural branches be grafted into their own Olive tree.' 25,26. In fact Paul says during the Great Tribulation and Kingdom Age of 1,000 years 'ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED.'
Ray is saying, 'Not any more than the Roman Catholic Church did when they persecuted the Waldensians and any other believers who disagreed with Catholicism. Just today on the news Pope John Paul admitted to the atrocities and the commentator said that the church, through him, apologized for the murdering.'
CC said, 'The Waldensians were a particularly nasty breed of
heretics with practices which, if done today in an
Anabaptist or Protestant assembly, would get them
disciplined or excommunicated from that assembly. Their
pestilent doctrines were sending boatloads of people to
hell, and the Church, as the guardian of souls, had every
right to nip this cancer in the bud.
Ray is saying, 'I am sure you remember where Jesus said in effect 'Don't try to root out the tares from the wheat; let them grow until Judgment Day. The Catholic Church was not give by Christ the license or right to murder other human beings even if they were in deep an error as Jehovah's Witnesses.'
CC said, 'The Jews, on the other hand, were receiving the
covenantal curses found in Deut. 29.
Ray is saying, 'I too know and agree with you that with the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. that this was a curse on the Israelite nation because of their rejection of the Messiah, our Christ of God.'
Ray is saying, 'Yom Kippur was a day for all Israelites to come to Jerusalem as
families and individuals in offering their sacrifice before Jehovah
Lord. Check out LEVITICUS 16:17!
CC said, 'The YOM KIPPUR
sacrifice was done by one man only on one day only. And it
was for the nation as a whole, not for individuals.
Ray is saying, Check out LEVITICUS 16:17 ' . . . AND FOR ALL THE CONGREGATION OF ISRAEL.' I hope you are not trying to say that the individual Jews did not need to have their sins atoned. I looked up Dr. Matthew Henry's interpretation of the atonement for all Jews who brought their sacrifice and he agrees with me. Better check you Catholic commentaries; they may disagree with you.
CC said, 'Messianic Christians, who observe a corrupt form of
Christianity which incorporates Old Covenant worship
forms which are passed into the New Covenant,
Ray is saying, 'I agree with you in your above statement.
Ray is saying, 'Correct me if I am misreading you. You seem to think there were two sanctuaries in which the priests ministered and then one for the high priest. The was but one sanctuary the priests ministered in the outer area, and once a year the high priest went into to the Holy of Holiest to bring the atonement to the mercy-seat not only for his sins and his families sins, but for every Israelite who brought their lamb or dove to the perhaps hundreds of priests who slaughtered the sacrifices in the outer chamber of the sanctuary or later in the Temple.' A new High Priest was elected every year for the Day of Atonement.
Best wishes . . .
