delizzle
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He was trying to say that we get our calling from God. He calls us, not a church. The Church only recognise and affirm the calling that God made.
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"Country Preachers"
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Who trained Luther/Calvin/Augustine?
The Catholic Church trained Luther and Augustine. Calvin was a lawyer.
I did mention the understanding of the original languages. That would be a minimum standard, don't you think?
Luther was on his way to becoming a lawyer, as well. The Apostle Paul was highly educated, and wrote things that the fisherman, Peter, found difficult to understand.
Yep.If one feels called to the ministry then I could not imagine that person not being called to prepare for the ministry.
Who says training has to take place in seminary. Lets say this man grew up in church and is now 30 years old. Did he learn anything? Should have.
Those fisherman figured out who Jesus was long before the Pharisee of the Pharisees ,Paul, did.
They didn't figure out who Jesus was. It was revealed to them.
Matthew 16:15-17
15“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Guess it depends how you define preparation. I will use industrial maintenance tech as an example. When one comes in my plant, I can immediately tell you the ones who went to school from the ones who apprenticed and kind of picked it up on their own. The ones who went to school spend more time looking at service manuals and schematics than the self learned/apprentice trained spend making the repair.
Depends on the church. Was it lead by a an untrained and self-appointed "prophet"?
You have to be smart enough to figure out Revelation.
Yes, and the church should both confirm that calling and help with the training.
You love to discuss extremes. What if he got a PHD from a worthless, liberal institution?
You need to understand the first 39 books of the Bible to understand Revelation, not world news.
And admit Paul didn't write Hebrews.
Education by itself is meaningless. Godly men seeking training from other godly men. That's what I'm referring to.
And?
Maybe this is just my presupposition, but original languages makes me think seminary. Which is preferred,
I agree. In this country we have that option, but in many third world countries they don't, so mentoring can be helpful, but there are far too few godly and educated men to help with that either.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Sunday evening sermon, August 18, 1889:
"I learned my theology, from which I have never swerved, from an old woman who was a cook....She could talk about the deep things of God and as I sat and heard what she had to say, as an aged Christian, of what the Lord had done for her, I learned more from her instruction than from anybody I have ever met with since!"
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