Covid Hysteria

[JonC]

I appreciate your restraint. LOL.

and as I present in my little two-bit paper; I do understand the difference in programming a cell vice changing its DNA.

Since the boosters are being pushed at 5 months (surreal, btw, shouldn't that scream ineffective?), do you think this is the maximum duration of CV19 spike protein imitation production?

You are welcome, for the restraint. I thought you'd get a chuckle out of that.

Thus far the boosters are not being pushed at all (in the US, in Israel they are recommending boosters within 6 months due to varients but they also report the vaccine to still be over 70% effective which is why the US decided against boosters at this time except for the most compromised).

But no, this does not show the vaccine ineffective. There have been years where three flu shots have been administered. And the boosters are not intended to bring someone from no protection back up to a protected level. They are intended to make up for the decrease in efficiency (go from about 70% back up to right at 100%).

This deals with the Pfizer vaccine. Studies have shown the Moderna vaccine still above 90% effective after 7 months. The studies I read believe this is due to the amount of vaccine (three times the amount of the Pfizer vaccine). This is why we do not know if there will even be Moderna boosters this year.

 

[Two Wings]

And the boosters are not intended to bring someone from no protection back up to a protected level. They are intended to make up for the decrease in efficiency (go from about 70% back up to right at 100%).

that seems to be a distinction without a difference.

what I meant was ... reference my paper again ... when these things were rolling out last fall/winter, there was a question about the period of time a person's body would produce the spike proteins. There was no known answer to that question. I'm asking, now, that the boosters are here (for 65/over right now in the US ... just because it's not "all skate" doesn't make it "not promoted.") ... does that represent the period when the "native" spike protein production stops/significantly reduces for it is this spike protein production which is SUPPOSED to keep the immune system active and thereby provides the "robust response" to a viral challenge of SARS Cov2 "in the wild."

 

[JonC]

that seems to be a distinction without a difference.

what I meant was ... reference my paper again ... when these things were rolling out last fall/winter, there was a question about the period of time a person's body would produce the spike proteins. There was no known answer to that question. I'm asking, now, that the boosters are here (for 65/over right now in the US ... just because it's not "all skate" doesn't make it "not promoted.") ... does that represent the period when the "native" spike protein production stops/significantly reduces for it is this spike protein production which is SUPPOSED to keep the immune system active and thereby provides the "robust response" to a viral challenge of SARS Cov2 "in the wild."

There should have been no question at all. You could have referenced the studies and would have known not only how long the mRNA would last (I think we probably agree on this part), how long the spike proteins could last, where the proteins would end up, how long the lipids would remain in the body, where the lipids would go, and how they would be expelled.

 

[Two Wings]

There should have been no question at all.

so what is the answer to that question?

this wasn't available in any of the sources I cited.

How long does the body produce the spike proteins?

One feature which HAS caught the medical community by surprise ... the spike proteins are EVERYWHERE, not simply confined to a single system (circulatory) ... nor specific place (site of injection) ... trillions of these spike proteins. And for approximately 4 weeks (give or take) ... the injected is expelling some of these spike proteins in their exhalations.

I've experienced the result of this. It's not pleasant.

 

[JonC]

so what is the answer to that question?

this wasn't available in any of the sources I cited.

How long does the body produce the spike proteins?

One feature which HAS caught the medical community by surprise ... the spike proteins are EVERYWHERE, not simply confined to a single system (circulatory) ... nor specific place (site of injection) ... trillions of these spike proteins. And for approximately 4 weeks (give or take) ... the injected is expelling some of these spike proteins in their exhalations.

I've experienced the result of this. It's not pleasant.

The answer is 3 to 4 days. The mRNA enters the cell and is destroyed after the protein is made. The protein can exist in the body for up to 4 weeks.

 

[Two Wings]

The answer is 3 to 4 days. The mRNA enters the cell and is destroyed after the protein is made. The protein can exist in the body for up to 4 weeks.

Hmm. this isn't what Dr. Malone said (inventor of the mRNA technology) ... nor the veterinarian immunologists I consulted who'd been developing this over the last decade. They said "indefinite" ... the presence of the spike proteins to attack is what keeps the immune system in "Cell Mediated Response" over simply innate status on these.

Pfizer didn't know that information when the EUA was issued by the FDA.

 

[JonC]

Hmm. this isn't what Dr. Malone said (inventor of the mRNA technology) ... nor the veterinarian immunologists I consulted who'd been developing this over the last decade. They said "indefinite" ... the presence of the spike proteins to attack is what keeps the immune system in "Cell Mediated Response" over simply innate status on these.

Pfizer didn't know that information when the EUA was issued by the FDA.

That is what the scientists who invented mRNA vaccines observed. This is also what the studies of the vacvines showed (like I said, they are very detailed....breaking ever lipid....I don't even care about the lipids).

Pfizer did know about the length of time the proteins would be produced. This was submitted in the data for EUA approval. It has also been verified countless times (an exaggeration...I don't know how many times) since.

The problem with basing a conclusion on De. Makones work with mRNA technology (something that existed before Malone's work) is Dr. Malone was never able to get past the fragility of mRNA to the vaccine phase.

ModeRNA Technologies has been developing and studying mRNA for vaccines since 2010. We know enough to understand how the vaccines work and how long the mRNA and proteins will last. The question was the longevity of the vaccines effectiveness.

 

[Reynolds]

I appreciate your restraint. LOL.

and as I present in my little two-bit paper; I do understand the difference in programming a cell vice changing its DNA.

Since the boosters are being pushed at 5 months (surreal, btw, shouldn't that scream ineffective?), do you think this is the maximum duration of CV19 spike protein imitation production?

I don't think they know. My doc told me she was seeing levels at around 300 at 6 months in most vaxed.. Level should be 2500. I don't know exactly what that means, but 300 ain't 2500.

 

[Two Wings]

The question was the longevity of the vaccines effectiveness.

I'm getting caught between pages ...

but post number 20, I asked about the duration of spike protein generation ... because this wasn't available. I recognize you've stated otherwise, but it was part of the information which Pfizer did NOT release because they didn't know. They'd only run two trials which overlapped in a single 90 day period ... and the production outlasted THAT.

I'll dig up my notes on the paper I wrote, but I assure you I didn't "make up" that question. It was one posed by the vet immunologist in THEIR decade PLUS (before Moderna) of work.

I respect the fact you desire to mitigate these questions as an apparent answer would presume to reduce the hesitancy; to take a vaccine against a disease which has an overall >99% recovery rate.

just doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[Two Wings]

Level should be 2500.

is this referring to antibody levels?

Let's not overlook the fact the void of antibodies does NOT mean no immunity. This is a ruse in the retort to accept natural immunity over the cv vax immunity. "oh, no antibodies, roll-up yer sleeve"

Incorrect. A cell-mediated response is going to put that virus in the B-cell inventory, so to speak. Without an active challenge, plus perhaps a few weeks, there's going to be no SARS Cov2 antibodies in the immune system, but the innate response AS WELL as the standby "cell mediated" DOES have the capability ... until the spike proteins are self-produced, then that natural immunity is severely compromised.

IDK how immunity could be tested short of being intentionally exposed to the virus and then check for antibodies ... but the overall response to this pestilence has revealed MUCH about were we are on the timeline of man's dominion of the planet.

Hint ... we are at the very end. Prepare for a "change of command" ceremony. spoiler alert ... the first spirit to dominate isn't benevolent.

 

[JonC]

I don't think they know. My doc told me she was seeing levels at around 300 at 6 months in most vaxed.. Level should be 2500. I don't know exactly what that means, but 300 ain't 2500.

Unfortunately there are no standardized antibody levels (there is not a standard test). But studies have shown antibodies from vaccinations decrease quicker than antibodies from those who recover from covid depending on the level of infection. What was interesting is they also found that covid decreases t-cells while the vaccines increase t-cells. In one study of the J&J vaccine there were no detectable antibodies however the subjects immune system responded as well or better than those with detectable antibodies from covid infections. This is why the focus shifted from antibodies to t-cells.

 

[JonC]

I'm getting caught between pages ...

but post number 20, I asked about the duration of spike protein generation ... because this wasn't available. I recognize you've stated otherwise, but it was part of the information which Pfizer did NOT release because they didn't know. They'd only run two trials which overlapped in a single 90 day period ... and the production outlasted THAT.

I'll dig up my notes on the paper I wrote, but I assure you I didn't "make up" that question. It was one posed by the vet immunologist in THEIR decade PLUS (before Moderna) of work.

I respect the fact you desire to mitigate these questions as an apparent answer would presume to reduce the hesitancy; to take a vaccine against a disease which has an overall >99% recovery rate.

just doesn't pass the smell test.

Studies have pointed out that the mRNA is destroyed shortly after the spiked protein has been produced, no longer than 4 days. The cell could not produce protein after the mRNA had been destroyed. Therefore we know that the spiked proteins are not produced after 4 days.

This nature of mRNA is why it had great potential for vaccines (that and it was impossible to cause the disease as there was no virus involved in production).

Yes, the mortality rate on average (vaccinated and unvaccinated combined without regard to health or age) is about .5%. But the risk of death post-vaccine regardless of whether the death is connected to a vaccine is 0.0026%.

If the mortality rate of covid is a non-issue then the possible side-effects of the vaccines are less so and the entire topic is not worth considering. The problem is when you translate the percentages into actual people.

 

[Two Wings]

I think the focus needs to be on prevention for the susceptible ... and treatment for the infected with something more than "go home until you turn blue" so then we intubate (introduce secondary bacterial infection) on someone with a clear wind pipe.

Stop demonizing proven outpatient treatments. If we'd done THIS from the beginning, we'd still have grandma/grandpa ...we'd still have our jobs. We'd all have burned some sick time last spring/early summer and been done with it.

but ... remember all the bellyachin about universal mail-in ballots --- EVEN before the party parties (conventions). Hmm. that's not indicative of collusion is it? I mean, even Fauci was saying in May '20 the summer time would "burn it." EG ... maximum vitamin D season.

But ... all that is water under the bridge and we still have people driving around solo wearing a mask ... or outside by themselves ... wearing a mask. Advertising. it's effective. Sell a snow cone to an Eskimo.

 

[Two Wings]

death is connected to a vaccine is 0.0026%.

i think this is completely wrong and it's based in this deal about being "fully vaxed." If not, then the death isn't counted against the cv vax.

definitions again. See?

 

[JonC]

i think this is completely wrong and it's based in this deal about being "fully vaxed." If not, then the death isn't counted against the cv vax.

definitions again. See?

The death count is not against the covid vaccinations.

But I misquoted the rate by error. It is 0.0021%, and most not connected to a vaccine.

The rate is people who have died after being vaccinated (first or second dose) without their deaths being connected to a vaccine.

For example, if a 98 year old man was vaccinated in December and died in May of cancer, that death is a part of the number.

The actual number of people who have died from a vaccine is less than 0.0021%.

Most deaths (which are very rare) that can actually be connected to a vaccine are from anaphylaxis and occurred after the 1st shot (naturally....being anaphylaxis). 2 to 5 people per million have experienced anaphylaxis from the vaccines (not died, but had the reaction which if not addressed can be fatal). 2 people experienced thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome from the J&J vaccination.

 

[Two Wings]

The CDC report (I'm on my phone so allowance please) ... doesn't attribute deaths to the cv vax until after the person is fully cv vaxed PLUS two weeks. Most of the deaths to the cv vax are inside that "window." Long term effects still unknown because it's only been 17 months since the cv vax even existed. 14 months since the end of the abbreviated trial period ... and ... 10 months since the rollout to the public.

There's still MUCH to go wrong with this stunt. And will.

We know from the messup in South Carolina ... there are vials of saline solution labeled "cv vax" ... I pray you get either miraculous protection ... or was part of the control group which unknowingly got the saline jab lot.

 

[Reynolds]

Unfortunately there are no standardized antibody levels (there is not a standard test). But studies have shown antibodies from vaccinations decrease quicker than antibodies from those who recover from covid depending on the level of infection. What was interesting is they also found that covid decreases t-cells while the vaccines increase t-cells. In one study of the J&J vaccine there were no detectable antibodies however the subjects immune system responded as well or better than those with detectable antibodies from covid infections. This is why the focus shifted from antibodies to t-cells.

I don't claim any expertise on this, but my doc said the antibody to the spike protein level of what the emphasis is now on. The test code is 164090.

 

[JonC]

I don't claim any expertise on this, but my doc said the antibody to the spike protein level of what the emphasis is now on. The test code is 164090.

Emphasis is on antibodies to track longevity, from what I understand.

But antibody tests are not standardized. There are tests, but the problem is people compare numbers from various tests to make up whatever they desire.

From the LabCorp test your doctor uses:

• Physicians can order SARS-CoV-2 Semi-Quantitative Total Antibody 164090
  • Values generated with this assay cannot be used to determine whether or not an individual has developed protective immunity against infection and cannot be directly compared to other assays until a universal standard is established for assay calibration.

Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Antibody Test for Providers | Labcorp

 

[JonC]

This is why many who have had covid still get vaccinated:

In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

 

[Wingman68]

What if there is no ‘covid 19’? It has yet to be isolated. What we do know is many people are suffering & expiring from the ‘cure’.

The data, as of October 3, 2020, speaks for itself:

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