Critical warning for KJB believers from Bryan Ross

[Logos1560]

KJV defender Bryan Ross wrote:​

"This is a critical warning for King James Bible believers: we're seeing a dangerous drift into mysticism and Gnosticism within our circles. Gary Roverino [wrote under the penname G. John Rov] is now claiming he's reached the highest level of biblical understanding - so high that 'God cannot hide secrets from him anymore.' Sound familiar?

What started as defending the King James Bible has morphed into something far more sinister. Gary has created a four-stage hierarchy of biblical competency, placing himself at the top in 'unconscious competence' - claiming divine revelation that even the KJV translators didn't have. He's now making fellowship contingent not on the gospel or core Christian doctrine, but on accepting his bizarre interpretations involving numerology, woodcut images, and the Apocrypha being hidden in Isaiah 16.

Here's what's alarming: this is growing. People are uprooting their families and moving to Arizona to join his movement. They're accepting that you need Gary's special guru-level insight to truly understand your Bible. That's textbook Gnosticism - secret knowledge available only to the enlightened few."

Bryan Ross has made some youtube videos in response to the stated views of Gary John Roverino.

 

[JesusFan]

KJV defender Bryan Ross wrote:​

"This is a critical warning for King James Bible believers: we're seeing a dangerous drift into mysticism and Gnosticism within our circles. Gary Roverino [wrote under the penname G. John Rov] is now claiming he's reached the highest level of biblical understanding - so high that 'God cannot hide secrets from him anymore.' Sound familiar?

What started as defending the King James Bible has morphed into something far more sinister. Gary has created a four-stage hierarchy of biblical competency, placing himself at the top in 'unconscious competence' - claiming divine revelation that even the KJV translators didn't have. He's now making fellowship contingent not on the gospel or core Christian doctrine, but on accepting his bizarre interpretations involving numerology, woodcut images, and the Apocrypha being hidden in Isaiah 16.

Here's what's alarming: this is growing. People are uprooting their families and moving to Arizona to join his movement. They're accepting that you need Gary's special guru-level insight to truly understand your Bible. That's textbook Gnosticism - secret knowledge available only to the enlightened few."

Bryan Ross has made some youtube videos in response to the stated views of Gary John Roverino.

This is what happens when certain people make even the Kjv an idol

 

[JD731]

Good Grief! If there were not mystics associated with the KJV believers I would be surprised indeed and if you were not one of the men to find it and report it I would be double surprised.



Jn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

 

[robycop3]

KJV defender Bryan Ross wrote:​

"This is a critical warning for King James Bible believers: we're seeing a dangerous drift into mysticism and Gnosticism within our circles. Gary Roverino [wrote under the penname G. John Rov] is now claiming he's reached the highest level of biblical understanding - so high that 'God cannot hide secrets from him anymore.' Sound familiar?

What started as defending the King James Bible has morphed into something far more sinister. Gary has created a four-stage hierarchy of biblical competency, placing himself at the top in 'unconscious competence' - claiming divine revelation that even the KJV translators didn't have. He's now making fellowship contingent not on the gospel or core Christian doctrine, but on accepting his bizarre interpretations involving numerology, woodcut images, and the Apocrypha being hidden in Isaiah 16.

Here's what's alarming: this is growing. People are uprooting their families and moving to Arizona to join his movement. They're accepting that you need Gary's special guru-level insight to truly understand your Bible. That's textbook Gnosticism - secret knowledge available only to the enlightened few."

Bryan Ross has made some youtube videos in response to the stated views of Gary John Roverino.

The KJVO myth has no Scriptural support, nor anything else that lends any truth to it, so its supporters have to make stuff up to try to make it appear as legitimate. Without any Scriptural support, it cannot be true, no matter how much and what types of embellishments that KJVOs try to add to it. No wonder that the KJVO myth has slipped into such non-Biblical practices !

 

[Van]

I think Robycop3 has hit an important point, we must be seekers of truth, trained in rightly dividing the word of truth, able to recognize wolfs in sheep's clothing. We must have the skill to see if what people say is consistent with God's word. I am no fan of what I see is agenda driven translation choices in the NLT, but I know or knew several people whose walk with Christ was enhanced because they better understood God's word using that translation. To conclude that one translation is so good, we should not consider others with differing insights is just silly. All of us should be wary of "cult" like behavior where adherents are supposed to isolate from others in the body of Christ.

 

[John of Japan]

Thanks for this heads up, Logos. I had not heard of this guy, but he's further into outer space than Ruckman and his followers!

Notice what is said on this page: Concealed from Christians For The Glory of God by Museum Founder Gary Rovarino (G. John Rov)

I would classify this position as being against the inerrancy of the Scriptures, which is universally applied to the autographs. Again, If the KJV is more perfect than the autographs, and is somehow an improvement on them, than that means God failed when He first gave the Scriptures, then had to fix His failure with the KJV.

 

[John of Japan]

KJV defender Bryan Ross wrote:​

"This is a critical warning for King James Bible believers: we're seeing a dangerous drift into mysticism and Gnosticism within our circles. Gary Roverino [wrote under the penname G. John Rov] is now claiming he's reached the highest level of biblical understanding - so high that 'God cannot hide secrets from him anymore.' Sound familiar?

While I think it is important that Bryan Ross is taking a stand, I think it is a mistake to call what Rovering says "Gnosticism," because there appears to be lacking many Gnostic doctrines: matter is evil and spirit good, Jesus became human (evil) to show us the way out of physical matter, there are various demigods between humans and God, etc.

Having said that, the idea that there can be secret knowledge in the KJV as Rovering says is cult-like.

 

[JesusFan]

Thanks for this heads up, Logos. I had not heard of this guy, but he's further into outer space than Ruckman and his followers!

Notice what is said on this page: Concealed from Christians For The Glory of God by Museum Founder Gary Rovarino (G. John Rov)

I would classify this position as being against the inerrancy of the Scriptures, which is universally applied to the autographs. Again, If the KJV is more perfect than the autographs, and is somehow an improvement on them, than that means God failed when He first gave the Scriptures, then had to fix His failure with the KJV.

Which would once again having those into KJVO assigning to the 1611 translators exactly same inspiration afforded to them in translation efforts as Apostles had when penning down their original books

 

[JesusFan]

While I think it is important that Bryan Ross is taking a stand, I think it is a mistake to call what Rovering says "Gnosticism," because there appears to be lacking many Gnostic doctrines: matter is evil and spirit good, Jesus became human (evil) to show us the way out of physical matter, there are various demigods between humans and God, etc.

Having said that, the idea that there can be secret knowledge in the KJV as Rovering says is cult-like.

Very similar to when Charismatics claim the the scripture has Logos and Rheuma meanings

 

[Logos1560]

I had not heard of this guy, but he's further into outer space than Ruckman and his followers!

Notice what is said on this page: Concealed from Christians For The Glory of God by Museum Founder Gary Rovarino (G. John Rov)

G. John Rov wrote: “At the heart of the King James Bible issue is this right here, to believe God” (Called of God, p. 38). G. John Rov asserted: “You can never bear perfect fruit if you have not believed on the King James Bible” (Concealed from Christians, p. 166). John Rov wrote: “Are you willing to believe that the King James Bible is the finished work of God? This is a very simple question and a very pure question which bypasses the intellect and goes straight to your conscience” (p. 4).

Any question that assumes as true unproven premises is not actually a simple question and is not a pure question, but instead it would be a complex, invalid question. Jason Lisle noted: “A complex question is the interrogative form of begging the question. This is when a question contains an unproven assumption” (Ultimate Proof, p. 127). Questions do not establish nor determine truth. Questions are not evidence. Questions do not prove a KJV-only view to be true and scriptural. Questions can be answered with questions. Invalid questions would not need to be answered. Pointing out that a question is invalid would be a proper response and answer.

 

[robycop3]

KJVOs invent all kinds of theories and excuses to try to avoid the "No Scriptural Support" issue. Without any Scriptural support, the KJVO myth remains false.

 

[John of Japan]

G. John Rov wrote: “At the heart of the King James Bible issue is this right here, to believe God” (Called of God, p. 38). G. John Rov asserted: “You can never bear perfect fruit if you have not believed on the King James Bible” (Concealed from Christians, p. 166). John Rov wrote: “Are you willing to believe that the King James Bible is the finished work of God? This is a very simple question and a very pure question which bypasses the intellect and goes straight to your conscience” (p. 4).

As many of his persuasion, he begs the question of the Bible in other languages. If the KJV is God's pure Word in the English language, what is God's pure and inerrant Word in Japanese? Ruckman once stated that it was the Motoyaku ("Original translation"), but that version has Alexandrian renderings.

D. A. Waite and the Dean Burgon Society were notoriously free from being missions minded. In its purest form, the advocacy of a perfect KJV totally ignores God's Word in other languages.

I support any effort by KJVO advocates to get God's Word into other languages--and there are those, but most ignore this crucial area.

Any question that assumes as true unproven premises is not actually a simple question and is not a pure question, but instead it would be a complex, invalid question. Jason Lisle noted: “A complex question is the interrogative form of begging the question. This is when a question contains an unproven assumption” (Ultimate Proof, p. 127). Questions do not establish nor determine truth. Questions are not evidence. Questions do not prove a KJV-only view to be true and scriptural. Questions can be answered with questions. Invalid questions would not need to be answered. Pointing out that a question is invalid would be a proper response and answer.

Good point.

 

[JesusFan]

G. John Rov wrote: “At the heart of the King James Bible issue is this right here, to believe God” (Called of God, p. 38). G. John Rov asserted: “You can never bear perfect fruit if you have not believed on the King James Bible” (Concealed from Christians, p. 166). John Rov wrote: “Are you willing to believe that the King James Bible is the finished work of God? This is a very simple question and a very pure question which bypasses the intellect and goes straight to your conscience” (p. 4).

Any question that assumes as true unproven premises is not actually a simple question and is not a pure question, but instead it would be a complex, invalid question. Jason Lisle noted: “A complex question is the interrogative form of begging the question. This is when a question contains an unproven assumption” (Ultimate Proof, p. 127). Questions do not establish nor determine truth. Questions are not evidence. Questions do not prove a KJV-only view to be true and scriptural. Questions can be answered with questions. Invalid questions would not need to be answered. Pointing out that a question is invalid would be a proper response and answer.

Strange that the 1611 translators themselves NEVER saw their 1611 kjv as a perfect and finished work, as they expected in the future others would come along and improve and build upon their translation efforts