DACA! Should they stay or should they go?

[HankD]

righteousdude...what's up with the sudden explosion of posts about Hispanics? Are you trying to say something without coming right out and saying it? What's it to you if 800,000 kids who were brought here through no fault of their own find a pathway to citizenship? Should they be punished for the sins of their parents?

I'm a 53 year old "anchor baby" born to an illegal immigrant and a US Citizen. Do you think I should be deported?

NO!

HankD

 

[HankD]

BTW, does anyone know if President Trump and Melania asked any of the flood victims if they were American citizens or came under the DACA rule before they gave them their food and water?

HankD

 

[InTheLight]

Don't believe that - it's easy for you to sit back and launch your insulting criticism at your president without offering your own solution which (if you did) would probably be a progressive liberal solution which you try to hide ITL.

So, I'm a liberal because I answered a direct question posed in the OP and my answer wasn't to your liking.

We all knew it wouldn't be long after his humanitarian trip to the flood victims that someone would renew the bad mouthing and nay saying, looks like you were the first this time ITL.

OK, how long should people wait after he returned from Texas until they can air an opinion about the President?

So give your solution so we can evaluate it.

It's a thorny issue. Pick a cutoff point where if you entered the country after that date you can no longer renew your DACA status. Or select a cutoff age for these children where they can no longer renew their DACA status. Give them some time to figure out their options. Hopefully, some other solution can be legislated before indiscriminate deportations occur. If not, deport them.

 

[HankD]

So, I'm a liberal because I answered a direct question posed in the OP and my answer wasn't to your liking.

Yes

OK, how long should people wait after he returned from Texas until they can air an opinion about the President

One Year.

It's a thorny issue. Pick a cutoff point where if you entered the country after that date you can no longer renew your DACA status. Or select a cutoff age for these children where they can no longer renew their DACA status. Give them some time to figure out their options. Hopefully, some other solution can be legislated before indiscriminate deportations occur. If not, deport them.

Thanks for a good beginning solution.

IMO Now you qualify to criticize him after the one year limitation.

HankD

 

[TCassidy]

It's a thorny issue.

When you say it, it is thoughtful. When the President says it he "lacks leadership."

Give them some time to figure out

When you say it, it is thoughtful. When the President says it he "lacks leadership."

Hopefully, some other solution can be legislated

When you say it, it is thoughtful. When the President says it he "lacks leadership."

 

[InTheLight]

When you say it, it is thoughtful. When the President says it he "lacks leadership."

When you say it, it is thoughtful. When the President says it he "lacks leadership."

When you say it, it is thoughtful. When the President says it he "lacks leadership."

Not fair. Let's wait and see what Trump does. He's been saying for two years he's going to reverse Obama's DACA policy. I interpreted that as these people would now be potentially deportable. Now that it's crunch time he wants to kick the can down the road. He's not leading. He needs to DO SOMETHING.

Why can't he come out and say he's issuing an Executive Order stating that anyone in the US under DACA that is currently 18 years or older cannot renew their DACA status? That's the rough idea of what I'm advocating.

 

[TCassidy]

Not fair. Let's wait and see what Trump does.

We already know! The White House announcement has already been made!

 

[HankD]

Not fair. Let's wait and see what Trump does. He's been saying for two years he's going to reverse Obama's DACA policy. I interpreted that as these people would now be potentially deportable. Now that it's crunch time he wants to kick the can down the road. He's not leading. He needs to DO SOMETHING.

Why can't he come out and say he's issuing an Executive Order stating that anyone in the US under DACA that is currently 18 years or older cannot renew their DACA status? That's the rough idea of what I'm advocating.

OK OK we will see.

I need to read what he has said.

HankD

 

[InTheLight]

We already know! The White House announcement has already been made!

When? Got a link?

President Donald Trump is expected to announce the end of an Obama-era program that allowed undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as children stay and contribute to the country, sources told Fox News late Sunday.

An official announcement to the end of the program will be on Tuesday, the sources said. After the announcement, Congress will have a six-month window to act.

DACA: Trump expected to end 'Dreamers' immigration program


Sure sounds to me like he's going to announce something and then ask Congress to fix it. That's not exactly him taking action. Let's see what he says. If he says he's going to round up these people and deport them I would be shocked. I'm sure that is what Trump supporters assumed he meant when he said for two years he was going to reverse DACA. They will be sorely disappointed.

 

[TCassidy]

When? Got a link?

"Trump has wrestled for months with whether to do away with the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, known as DACA. But conversations with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who argued that Congress — rather than the executive branch — is responsible for writing immigration law, helped persuade the president to terminate the program and kick the issue to Congress, the two sources said."

Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay

 

[Revmitchell]

"Trump has wrestled for months with whether to do away with the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, known as DACA. But conversations with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who argued that Congress — rather than the executive branch — is responsible for writing immigration law, helped persuade the president to terminate the program and kick the issue to Congress, the two sources said."

Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay

I posted the exact same article in post 18

 

[TCassidy]

I posted the exact same article in post 18

I know. That's why I reposted it. But I doubt he cares.

 

[InTheLight]

The White House announcement has already been made!

When? Got a link?

"Trump has wrestled for months with whether to do away with the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, known as DACA. But conversations with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who argued that Congress — rather than the executive branch — is responsible for writing immigration law, helped persuade the president to terminate the program and kick the issue to Congress, the two sources said."

Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay

This is not a "White House announcement". This is a story based on two unnamed sources as to what Trump is going to do tomorrow.

 

[HankD]

No matter WHAT President Trump decides the hair-on-fire progressives here and elsewhere will go into hysterics.

HankD

 

[InTheLight]

No matter WHAT President Trump decides the hair-on-fire progressives here and elsewhere will go into hysterics.

HankD

Yep. And if he doesn't do anything substantial, just asks Congress to give him a DACA bill he can sign the Trumpies will defend him with their dying breath. It is within his power to direct the INS and DHS to prioritize finding these people and applying immigration laws to them. Nothing from Congress is needed to end DACA.

Just face it--if he doesn't reverse DACA he's broken a campaign promise.

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.

 

[777]

Yep, you could say he's already broken it:

"Immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties (Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents and Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals). All immigration laws will be enforced -- we will triple the number of ICE agents. Anyone who enters the U.S. illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country."

at least the DACA part. It never a negotiating chip but you're wrong, if he listens to the likes of Ryan, Mitch and Princess Ivanka and compromises on this issue, the right will turn away in droves forever. They tend not to tolerate being lied to well at all.

 

[InTheLight]

Yep, you could say he's already broken it:



at least the DACA part. It never a negotiating chip but you're wrong, if he listens to the likes of Ryan, Mitch and Princess Ivanka and compromises on this issue, the right will turn away in droves forever. They tend not to tolerate being lied to well at all.

I don't think so. He's got a support base of about 30% of voters that will defend him and blame someone, anyone else, for his campaign goals not being reached.

A couple of tweets by Trump accusing someone of blocking his agenda and he'll be vindicated with this base.

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.

 

[HankD]

Yep. And if he doesn't do anything substantial, just asks Congress to give him a DACA bill he can sign the Trumpies will defend him with their dying breath. It is within his power to direct the INS and DHS to prioritize finding these people and applying immigration laws to them. Nothing from Congress is needed to end DACA.

Just face it--if he doesn't reverse DACA he's broken a campaign promise..

See folks, what did I tell you.

Before the final answer has come down at that.

Hate, hate, hate...

HankD

 

[InTheLight]

See folks, what did I tell you.

Before the final answer has come down at that.

Hate, hate, hate...

HankD

Hate?

Pointing out if Trump breaks a campaign promise is hate? I guess there were dozens of Obama haters here for at least eight years.

 

[777]

I don't think so. He's got a support base of about 30% of voters that will defend him and blame someone, anyone else, for his campaign goals not being reached.

A couple of tweets by Trump accusing someone of blocking his agenda and he'll be vindicated with this base.

No, this is the point where you're losing perspective being a #neverTrumper. It never was about him, he said and did things differently from all the GOP candidates. If Rubio or even Kasich ran on the same ideas, that person would have won the nomination then the general. It is not a cult of personality and the bottom line of unconditional Trump support is probably about half of the percentage you gave.

There's nowhere for him to run here, like you've said, he doesn't need Congress for this one and even the dumb Trump supporters realize that. In fact, if it goes down where Trump delays it then Congress passes the DREAM Act finally and it's signed (or vetoed, it could be overridden easily), that codifies DACA then it is more of a victory for the left than Hillary could have ever done on this issue - she would have just extended DACA.

So, in 2020, his voters are going to either defect to the Democrat, most will just stay home.